[guest45734]

I currently can't dispute what the OP is forwarding.

Thanks.

[guest45734]

1) Space is a substance which expands and contracts continuously. This expansion and contraction of space is due to quantum fluctuations constantly appearing and disappearing. The existence of Space is dependent on the existence of matter and quantum fluctuations without which space would not exist.

2) Dark Energy driving the expansion of space and gravity driving the contraction of space is directly due to quantum fluctuations.

I will add
3) There is a possibility of additional dimensions, which may in part explain entanglement and non locality. https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1402/1402.4764.pdf

Borrowing from string theory and the membrane concept of space, would anyone agree that the effects of non locality and entanglement might be better explained by stating that all points could be connected by at least one additional unfolded dimension.

[guest45734]

The space between the galaxies is not expanding, the measurement between the galaxies are expanding

OK how about this The space between galaxies is increasing due to the expansion of space which increases the measured distance between them.

Do you have a thread on your N theory, I am familiar with a lot of theories but N theory has escaped my attention. M theory is quite interesting.

[guest45734]

1) Space is a substance which expands and contracts continuously. This expansion and contraction of space is due to quantum fluctuations constantly appearing and disappearing. The existence of Space is dependent on the existence of matter and quantum fluctuations without which space would not exist.

2) Dark Energy driving the expansion of space and gravity driving the contraction of space is directly due to quantum fluctuations.

3) There is a possibility of additional dimensions, which may in part explain entanglement and non locality. https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1402/1402.4764.pdf [nofollow]

Borrowing from string theory and the membrane concept of space, would anyone agree that the effects of non locality and entanglement might be better explained by stating that all points could be connected by at least one additional unfolded dimension.

4) Frame dragging proves that the fabric of space moves, ie the mass energy distribution(quantum fluctuations) of space is disturbed by the movement of the planets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame-dragging

Nothing escapes from black holes, (except hawking radiation perhaps) therefore for gravity to work the theorized graviton must flow towards mass not away. The graviton is a virtual particle/quantum fluctuation.

5) Quantum loop gravity allows for the contraction and expansion of the universe through multiple big bangs it may also explain the existence of gamma ray bursts from space. Implying perhaps that Blackholes might actually explode, Hawking radiation allows for the slow evaporation of blackholes could they lose enough mass to allow for a supernovae and the creation of the heavier elements in the universe.

[guest39538]

The space between the galaxies is not expanding, the measurement between the galaxies are expanding

OK how about this The space between galaxies is increasing due to the expansion of space which increases the measured distance between them.

Do you have a thread on your N theory, I am familiar with a lot of theories but N theory has escaped my attention. M theory is quite interesting.

The measurement between the galaxies is expanding because the galaxies are moving away from each other.

No space involved , space expanding is really poor wording and an impossibility  as shown using points.


Yes there is a N-field thread in this forum section.

[guest39538]

1) Space is a substance which expands and contracts continuously

Fields are a substance that expand and contract , not the underlying space.

[guest39538]

I was saving this ,for a rainy day

Let us imagine a R² real coordinate space array that consists of 4 points.   

The dimension of the array :  x*y

x= 0+0=x₁

y=0+0=y₁

0=point

so you array looks like this dot →     .

Now if the points were to expand, i'e space expanding


00
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It just so happens there would be space between the expanded points.  The dot remains in tact , it has not really expanded, your overlay has expanded.

[guest45734]

Your N theory does not come up on my searches. Is it based on the standard model of physics or do you have a new theory you would like me to read about. I would like to explore the ideas I put forward in the OP which are loosely based around everything from string theory QFT relativity MOND QLG etc, I have never heard of N theory.

https://futurism.com/new-explanation-dark-energy-tiny-fluctuations-time-space/ space expands

[guest45734]

1) Space is a substance which expands and contracts continuously. This expansion and contraction of space is due to quantum fluctuations constantly appearing and disappearing. The existence of Space is dependent on the existence of matter and quantum fluctuations without which space would not exist.

2) Dark Energy driving the expansion of space and gravity driving the contraction of space is directly due to quantum fluctuations.

3) There is a possibility of additional dimensions, which may in part explain entanglement and non locality. https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1402/1402.4764.pdf [nofollow] [nofollow]

Borrowing from string theory and the membrane concept of space, would anyone agree that the effects of non locality and entanglement might be better explained by stating that all points could be connected by at least one additional unfolded dimension.

4) Frame dragging proves that the fabric of space moves, ie the mass energy distribution(quantum fluctuations) of space is disturbed by the movement of the planets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame-dragging [nofollow]

Nothing escapes from black holes, (except hawking radiation perhaps) therefore for gravity to work the theorized graviton must flow towards mass not away. The graviton is a virtual particle/quantum fluctuation.

5) Quantum loop gravity allows for the contraction and expansion of the universe through multiple big bangs it may also explain the existence of gamma ray bursts from space. Implying perhaps that Blackholes might actually explode, Hawking radiation allows for the slow evaporation of blackholes could they lose enough mass to allow for a supernovae and the creation of the heavier elements in the universe.

I would like to discuss the above

[guest39538]

Your N theory does not come up on my searches. Is it based on the standard model of physics or do you have a new theory you would like me to read about. I would like to explore the ideas I put forward in the OP which are loosely based around everything from string theory QFT relativity MOND QLG etc, I have never heard of N theory.

https://futurism.com/new-explanation-dark-energy-tiny-fluctuations-time-space/ space expands

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=71491.0

Stop thinking what you read is exact and the semantics are correct.   It is an impossibility for space to expand.

[guest39538]

Borrowing from string theory and the membrane concept of space, would anyone agree that the effects of non locality and entanglement might be better explained by stating that all points could be connected by at least one additional unfolded dimension.

All points of space are adjoined/connected, all points of energy are adjoined/connected, I have no idea what unfolding dimensions suppose to mean?

[guest45734]

Borrowing from string theory and the membrane concept of space, would anyone agree that the effects of non locality and entanglement might be better explained by stating that all points could be connected by at least one additional unfolded dimension.

All points of space are adjoined/connected, all points of energy are adjoined/connected, I have no idea what unfolding dimensions suppose to mean?

Are you agreeing that "All points of space are adjoined/connected, all points of energy are adjoined/connected" via a possible additional dimension.
M theory indicates more spacial dimensions exist than the usual 4 dimensional space time.
Having read your N theory thread I understand where you are coming from and do not think N theory has any relevance on this thread. Space is universally accepted to be expanding between galaxies.

[guest39538]

Space is universally accepted to be expanding between galaxies.

Accepted does not necessarily mean it is true, objectively it is not true, there is 3 dimensions of space only, time is not interwoven with space.

[guest45734]

Space is universally accepted to be expanding between galaxies.

Accepted does not necessarily mean it is true, objectively it is not true, there is 3 dimensions of space only, time is not interwoven with space.

I am going to take the view that since you are the only one disagreeing with my assertions I must be correct.

[guest45734]

Quote from: disinterested on Today at 10:16:17
1) Space is a substance which expands and contracts continuously. This expansion and contraction of space is due to quantum fluctuations constantly appearing and disappearing. The existence of Space is dependent on the existence of matter and quantum fluctuations without which space would not exist.

2) Dark Energy driving the expansion of space and gravity driving the contraction of space is directly due to quantum fluctuations.

3) There is a possibility of additional dimensions, which may in part explain entanglement and non locality. https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1402/1402.4764.pdf [nofollow] [nofollow] [nofollow]

Borrowing from string theory and the membrane concept of space, would anyone agree that the effects of non locality and entanglement might be better explained by stating that all points could be connected by at least one additional unfolded dimension.

4) Frame dragging proves that the fabric of space moves, ie the mass energy distribution(quantum fluctuations) of space is disturbed by the movement of the planets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame-dragging [nofollow] [nofollow]

Nothing escapes from black holes, (except hawking radiation perhaps) therefore for gravity to work the theorized graviton must flow towards mass not away. The graviton is a virtual particle/quantum fluctuation.

5) Quantum loop gravity allows for the contraction and expansion of the universe through multiple big bangs it may also explain the existence of gamma ray bursts from space. Implying perhaps that Blackholes might actually explode, Hawking radiation allows for the slow evaporation of blackholes could they lose enough mass to allow for a supernovae and the creation of the heavier elements in the universe.
I would like to discuss the above

[guest39538]

Space is universally accepted to be expanding between galaxies.

Accepted does not necessarily mean it is true, objectively it is not true, there is 3 dimensions of space only, time is not interwoven with space.

I am going to take the view that since you are the only one disagreeing with my assertions I must be correct.

I am not disagreeing with your assertions ,  I can only show you the objective facts , it is your choice whether you accept the objective facts or continue accepting the subjective view.

[guest45734]

uote from: disinterested on Today at 10:37:24
Quote from: disinterested on Today at 10:16:17
1) Space is a substance which expands and contracts continuously. This expansion and contraction of space is due to quantum fluctuations constantly appearing and disappearing. The existence of Space is dependent on the existence of matter and quantum fluctuations without which space would not exist.

2) Dark Energy driving the expansion of space and gravity driving the contraction of space is directly due to quantum fluctuations.

3) There is a possibility of additional dimensions, which may in part explain entanglement and non locality. https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1402/1402.4764.pdf [nofollow] [nofollow] [nofollow] [nofollow]

Borrowing from string theory and the membrane concept of space, would anyone agree that the effects of non locality and entanglement might be better explained by stating that all points could be connected by at least one additional unfolded dimension.

4) Frame dragging proves that the fabric of space moves, ie the mass energy distribution(quantum fluctuations) of space is disturbed by the movement of the planets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame-dragging [nofollow] [nofollow] [nofollow]

Nothing escapes from black holes, (except hawking radiation perhaps) therefore for gravity to work the theorized graviton must flow towards mass not away. The graviton is a virtual particle/quantum fluctuation.

5) Quantum loop gravity allows for the contraction and expansion of the universe through multiple big bangs it may also explain the existence of gamma ray bursts from space. Implying perhaps that Blackholes might actually explode, Hawking radiation allows for the slow evaporation of blackholes could they lose enough mass to allow for a supernovae and the creation of the heavier elements in the universe.
I would like to discuss the above

[opportunity]

I still consider Disinterested has the more relevant idea for one key reason, namely, that in considering a big bang, "did" space exist before the big bang "outside" of the big bang? If it did, did time? If time and space did, isn't that contradictory to the big bang and the idea of spacetime associated to the big bang?

One interesting theory today is the idea of a "holographic universe", which posits space and time to be projections from "lower dimensions" of space, and thus two dimensional space (if there is such a thing).

For instance, take a surface area of a sphere which has within it a volume of space. The surface area of space and it's volume (as a perfect sphere for a wavefront for the progression of e/m from a single point) are always in proportion as the constitutional mathematics of the sphere, surface area and volume. For that theoretical front of the big bang surface area to be considered independent of the volume of space within, one would need to consider other factors. Yet "how" we measure the expansion of the universe is in fact based on what we register of "light" in the volume of space theoretically expanding with the big bang surface area dare I way it "wave-front". What is ahead of that surface area? Is it space? Is there time there? Hawking asked what is more south than south.

The issue isn't really about "space" expanding, it's what defines the volume a surface area contains and what are the mechanics of the surface area. Put it this way, is a mathematical flat plane considered as "space"? Don't we define space as 3-d? Further to this, if we try to create big bang conditions in a lab on a small scale, aren't we saying that space and time (us) can exist outside the point of origin of a big-bang event?

As you can tell, there are still more questions than answers regarding "space" and how we use that in our theories and research, especially in the context of the "big bang" theory.

In defence of theBox, I am not a fan of the idea of space expanding either, because technically "space" is a mathematically defined construct dependent on other things, namely a surface area reference that, in theory, appears to be ever expanding, simply because of how we register the behaviour of light and other e/m features such as the CMBR and red-shift effect, the key "Players" within the surface area manifold we seek to, and understandably so, understand, these as the a-priori of the behaviour of the light within that theoretically expanding surface area front from the theoretical big bang initial event.

[guest39538]

I still consider Disinterested has the more relevant idea for one key reason, namely, that in considering a big bang, "did" space exist before the big bang "outside" of the big bang? If it did, did time? If time and space did, isn't that contradictory to the big bang and the idea of spacetime associated to the big bang?

Again you are considering this from what you learnt.  i understand it is hard to let go of a memory they programmed you to accept for all these years.  In this instant it is time, you are not considering what time really is.   
Time is a duration of existence that can be measured by having something to time.  Before the BB there was space, a n-dimensional volume of points, but there was no time , it was timeless because there is simply nothing to time i.e no ''clocks''(matter).

Time begins when the rudiment  observable matter appears in the void  giving the void a timing mechanism.

A+B simultaneously manifesting at the same geometrical point of the void is the beginning of time.   Before this only Alpha waves were about, which are permeating mono-pole electrostatic charges.
Once by randomness A+B happened to create the first Alpha particle, all the Alpha waves came rushing to this point to create a big bang and  expansion of the Alpha particle in a fraction of a second.

[Colin2B]

Can you please keep this thread on topic rather than pointless meanderings.
Even in New Theories there are limits.