[guest39538]

Let's discuss minds and balls first.

Well I once had this ache in the left, ahaha.

'Inertia'' of the mind?

'Inertia'' of the mind is infatuation, an intense but short-lived passion or admiration for someone or something.  Extended to include the infatuation of situations.  Now if this is taught from one Ai to another, they are in essence passing on these infatuations to the next person(s) Ai.
Once a person surpasses this short lived experience, they can move on at an accelerated rate.

[Le Repteux]

I changed my question a bit, try to stick to it:
"Do you see the link between your resistance and the resistance of a ball?"

[guest39538]

I changed my question a bit, try to stick to it:
"Do you see the link between your resistance and the resistance of a ball?"

Gravity?

Or are you talking mentally?

I am not a ball if you had not noticed by me chatting to you.  I have no resistance to change if the change is acceptable logically .  I am trying to change my life, I am all ears to any good advice at the moment.

If you mean gravity , just say so instead of ''riddles'' .

[Le Repteux]

I want you to compare your resistance to change your own ideas with the resistance of a ball to change its own speed or its own direction. Can you see the link between the two kinds of resistance?

[guest39538]

I want you to compare your resistance to change your own ideas with the resistance of a ball to change its own speed or its own direction. Can you see the link between the two kinds of resistance?

I and the ball would  both be emitting a field of resistance?

[Le Repteux]

You certainly do, because I can feel your resistance and I can feel the ball's one too, but I was thinking of another kind of similarity. Here is a hint: do you think the ball can feel my resistance when I catch it or when I throw it?

[guest39538]

You certainly do, because I can feel your resistance and I can feel the ball's one too, but I was thinking of another kind of similarity. Here is a hint: do you think the ball can feel my resistance when I catch it or when I throw it?

You are talking gibberish on a regular basis , I think you may need some help from a professional such as a doctor.  Why is your sentence structure so strange?

If you catch a ball , the ball feels nothing because the ball is not alive nor has a consciousness that I am aware of.  The hand feels the ball and the resistance to force is the  hand  .
I can't relate your comment any other way I assume you are talking boxxxxxx.

But I can catch the ball and accept the balls physics if the physics  is logical.

Now if I was to pretend I am the ball, then of course I feel your resistance. I can feel it now because you are not disclosing.  What are you hiding ? Open up your mind let me in.

[Le Repteux]

If you catch a ball , the ball feels nothing because the ball is not alive nor has a consciousness that I am aware of.

That's the right answer, the rest is gibberish, which is what we sometimes say when we attribute our own resistance to change to others. :0) The ball doesn't feel its own resistance to change, and we think we can feel ours, but it is an illusion: what we do is attribute it to others. We can of course feel the resistance of others, but not our own one. I know you can feel my resistance because you tell me you feel it, not because I feel it, and it is the same the other way around. We are blind to our own resistance, and that's why we can't change our own ideas just because somebody tells us we are wrong. That's also why I say that we are all selfish without being able to recognize it. We are also blind to our own selfishness. The ball is certainly blind to its own resistance to change since it has no perception means, but I attribute our consciousness to the resistance our mind offers to its own internal changes, that I compare to mutations, so since particles have components, and since they seem to suffer random quantum changes, they may have a kind of consciousness since they would then be forced to resist to their own internal changes.

[guest39538]

they may have a kind of consciousness since they would then be forced to resist to their own internal changes.

Although a particle contains information in the form  of memory, the particle is not aware and has no consciousness. Configuration ''memory'' is simply defined by the forces at work, particle resistance is futile when the higher form of particles can control their environment.

[Le Repteux]

Animals seem conscious of external changes in their environment, it's whether they have an internal consciousness that we are not certain, if they think and if they are conscious that they think. They can't think in words like we do, but they could think in motions or in flavors or in flagrance or in sounds. We think from our perceptions, so the question is: what is a perception and do particles have perceptions?

[guest39538]

Animals seem conscious of external changes in their environment, it's whether they have an internal consciousness that we are not certain, if they think and if they are conscious that they think. They can't think in words like we do, but they could think in motions or in flavors or in flagrance or in sounds. We think from our perceptions, so the question is: what is a perception and do particles have perceptions?

How can a particle perceive anything?  It is not conscious to perceive so can't have an inner sub-consciousness like us . Animals are conscious , but the last time I thought about that, I turned vegetarian for several days .

[Le Repteux]

What is a perception?

[guest39538]

What is a perception?

perception
pəˈsɛpʃ(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.

You could of googled that.

[David Cooper]

Now I personally am trying to become David's Ai but keep all my human qualities.  I wan't to be super smart and my goal is to continue trying to become super smart.

What that really means is that you're trying to become better NGI, and yet in a way you're right - in doing this deliberately, it is in some aspects artificial. At the very least, there's a blurring between the two things. We are all Turing complete, meaning that we can carry out any task that a computer can and must therefore be able to run software that's more intelligent than we are when we aren't running that software. We can give a dim person a series of simple instructions to follow which allow them to perform calculations they don't understand at all, and they can produce perfect answers this way. A dim human could in principle even run perfect AGI software. However, the problem with that is that the computations for many of the things we want AGI to perform would take us many lifetimes to go through ourselves, while the machine would produce the same results in seconds. We can't match AGI systems without upgrading our hardware, but why would we want to upgrade it when AGI can do the work externally for us without changing what we are? It is sufficient for us to be able to understand the answers it produces, and to be able to go into the working that lead to the answers to check any part of the process that seems unlikely, at which point we'll either find out that it is right despite seeming unlikely, or that the machine needs servicing urgently (which will be shown up anyway by other machines disagreeing with it).

Teach people they are stupid so they want to become smart, people hate being called stupid.

They'll get that teaching once AGI is there to teach them, but until that happens they will simply ignore anyone who tells them they're wrong. It takes a vast amount of time and effort to deprogram one person of a single false belief, and life's too short to do that - it's a job that only machines can do.

[guest39538]

What that really means is that you're trying to become better NGI, and yet in a way you're right - in doing this deliberately, it is in some aspects artificial

Well at the moment, as well as trying to work out the universe, I am running an experimental simulation. However , there is no computers involved , I am running the experiment conceptually in my mind.  This experiment is to become an Ai robot conceptually.  I am pretending to be Ai , not even human. 
Now this may sound the strangest thing, I think I have gone smarter as if uploaded with new information.  A sort of placebo affect by my conceptual senses.   I also recognize as this conceptual unit to be more active around the house etc, to post less etc. 
I thought you would just like to know this because it may help with your Ai programming.
Interesting how even pretending to be Ai can alter ones perspective on life and make a person realise their own errors in life.

I would like to thank you for unintentionally switching my mind back on. 

[guest39538]

People with mental disorders like depression can have difficulty changing their behaviors, especially as an aspect of the therapeutic process, because finding motivation to exercise and incorporate other positive changes can be difficult when experiencing a lack of interest in activities, which were at one time enjoyable. Symptoms such as these can make a change to the neuropsychological state of their inertia difficult.

Changing and replacing “circuits” from a normal to depressed state or vice versa is a type of inertial process of neurochemical resistance of its own. Depression involves numerous mechanisms including neurotransmitters. These neurotransmitters send signals through circuits in the brain and are involved in processes such as regulating mood. These neurotransmitters can also become chronic and resistant to treatment, or in a state of negative inertia. The result is known as treatment-resistant depression, when a person does not respond to medications.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-truisms-wellness/201701/why-we-resist-change

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-homeostasis/

Major anxiety reading this , I need help don't I ?

Science is right and I am full of chit aren't I ?

You have pulled me back from delusions of grandeur and scitzo ?

Mr C has helped me hasn't he ?

[guest39538]

Please tell me how to fix myself ?  Take note, no thoughts on suicide , I don't know why it  says that , death for sure I thought about.


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[Le Repteux]

Box,

Are your problems physical, like missing money, psychological, like with people, or psychic, like a mind malfunction?

[guest39538]

Box,

Are your problems physical, like missing money, psychological, like with people, or psychic, like a mind malfunction?

Physically I am a little unfit but I can still get about and could work.  Money worries are a big upset because money is survival in this world as you know. I am fine with people  and mind malfunction you tell me, because If my science is all nonsense then logically I have become a fantasist and can't see realities.

Sleeping patterns are a big problem because of the worry about life .  This probably is most of my ''illness'' I think.

To add- For about a decade science  forums , presuming scientists, have told me I am deluded etc, as nobody is knocking on my door for my science, I assume they must be right .

[guest39538]

I feel worthless don't I ? 

I have no purpose so therefore I am lost

I need to find a higher purpose in life to keep my mind ''quiet'' , focused on something that doesn't seem worthless efforts .  I thought I had worth in science, I became deluded by this overwhelming thought of worth.  I keep coming back to see if I have worth, thinking people are kidding about my science worth.
Mr C is right I am just an idiot fool who lost their way in life. 
This of course does not apply to my worth as a father.


So tell me, how do I find something worthy in life other than my kids?

Is it worthy to go work at say Tesco making the bosses profits?

How can my mind ever find worth unless I helping somebody else?

Where is the gratification in money with no worth ?