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Re: Artificial intelligence versus real intelligence
« Reply #340 on: 26/06/2018 18:29:57 »
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Physically I am a little unfit but I can still get about and could work.  Money worries are a big upset because money is survival in this world as you know. I am fine with people  and mind malfunction you tell me, because If my science is all nonsense then logically I have become a fantasist and can't see realities.

Sleeping patterns are a big problem because of the worry about life .  This probably is most of my ''illness'' I think.

To add- For about a decade science  forums , presuming scientists, have told me I am deluded etc, as nobody is knocking on my door for my science, I assume they must be right .

Nobody tells others that their ideas are right, resistance to change obliges. Trying to solve our problems instead of sleeping is not efficient, our mind doesn't work properly when it's tired. Tell it to shut up and sleep. :0) As for your money problems, either you spend too much money on unnecessary things, or you don't earn enough to cover necessary ones. If you take drugs or alcohol or cigarettes for instance, stop it and you will probably have enough. If your apartment is too expensive, change it. If you miss food, you can have some from charity organizations. If you want more money just because people have more than you, imagine you are in a country where people are dying from starvation. If you want to kill me because I'm not funny, wait ten years and I might ask for it. :0)

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I feel worthless don't I ? 
Nobody knows why he lives, so everybody should know he is useless. I know I'm useless, but I have the feeling I'm not. It's just a feeling, so if you feel the contrary and you want to change it, change it. Actors can do that in a fraction of a second. I often feel that way when I'm tired, and to change that feeling, I relax, take a deep breath, and tell myself that nothing is important since life is not important. It works every time, then I go to bed and wake up eight hours later fresh and ready to go.
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Re: Artificial intelligence versus real intelligence
« Reply #341 on: 26/06/2018 18:42:00 »
Quote from: Thebox on 26/06/2018 18:13:03
I feel worthless don't I ?

I have no purpose so therefore I am lost

How many people have a real purpose? All any of us can do is try to be happy rather than the opposite.

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I need to find a higher purpose in life to keep my mind ''quiet'' , focused on something that doesn't seem worthless efforts .

The highest purpose is the one that children naturally pursue - to seek fun.

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I thought I had worth in science, I became deluded by this overwhelming thought of worth.  I keep coming back to see if I have worth, thinking people are kidding about my science worth.

Those whose science is faulty usually get no recognition or reward for their work. Those whose science is correct usually get no recognition or reward either. The problem with being right and ahead of the herd is that the herd is incapable of recognising that you are right, and the problem with being wrong is that you think you're right and find it hard to see reality. The only way to settle things is to apply reason rigorously and recognise when your ideas are in conflict with it.

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Mr C is right I am just an idiot fool who lost their way in life.

I hope that's another reference to BC. Those who ask the right questions and who question themselves are not idiots or fools, so you certainly don't look lost to me - you appear to be finding something.

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This of course does not apply to my worth as a father.

That's the most important thing to get right, and living on the Internet is a lower priority which must be rationed carefully.

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So tell me, how do I find something worthy in life other than my kids?

Is there anything worthy other than that? You're looking for something that doesn't exist, and you already have the most important things in the universe.
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« Reply #342 on: 26/06/2018 18:46:07 »
Quote from: Le Repteux on 26/06/2018 18:29:57
Quote from: Box
Physically I am a little unfit but I can still get about and could work.  Money worries are a big upset because money is survival in this world as you know. I am fine with people  and mind malfunction you tell me, because If my science is all nonsense then logically I have become a fantasist and can't see realities.

Sleeping patterns are a big problem because of the worry about life .  This probably is most of my ''illness'' I think.

To add- For about a decade science  forums , presuming scientists, have told me I am deluded etc, as nobody is knocking on my door for my science, I assume they must be right .

Nobody tells others that their ideas are right, resistance to change obliges. Trying to solve our problems instead of sleeping is not efficient, our mind doesn't work properly when it's tired. Tell it to shut up and sleep. :0) As for your money problems, either you spend too much money on unnecessary things, or you don't earn enough to cover necessary ones. If you take drugs or alcohol or cigarettes for instance, stop it and you will probably have enough. If your apartment is too expensive, change it. If you miss food, you can have some from charity organizations. If you want more money just because people have more than you, imagine you are in a country where people are dying from starvation. If you want to kill me because I'm not funny, wait ten years and I might ask for it. :0)

Quote from: Thebox on 26/06/2018 18:13:03
I feel worthless don't I ? 
Nobody knows why he lives, so everybody should know he is useless. I know I'm useless, but I have the feeling I'm not. It's just a feeling, so if you feel the contrary and you want to change it, change it. Actors can do that in a fraction of a second. I often feel that way when I'm tired, and to change that feeling, I relax, take a deep breath, and tell myself that nothing is important since life is not important. It works every time, then I go to bed and wake up eight hours later fresh and ready to go.

I am not sure I know what I want, I change my mind  quicker than light.   I don't really like money but I need money to survive.  You are right I may have more money if I stopped smoking and could save and then maybe do something. 
I don't know mate my sense of worth and hope is fading, I wanted to get a science breakthrough which would of been huge worth in my mind, not financial, but in a sense I helped the world . 
When I worked in the past I use to always ''pick'' the job up quite fast,  I can't understand why I have not shined in science. I don't like to be beaten by challenges, maybe this is also my incentive, because I want to be better than science at science like when I was painting I wanted to be the  the best of the best.
How do I get out of this routine ? 

I need to overcome the inertia right ?

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« Reply #343 on: 26/06/2018 18:57:34 »
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Is there anything worthy other than that?

Being a worthy father is also thinking ahead about the future of children.   I think global warming etc triggered me into acting on this thought of the future of my children.  Protecting them even after I am gone in a sense of helping to stop global warming destroying the future. 
So of course my higher purpose and worth was in saving the Earth to save my children's future.

When I was child it was easy to have fun, there was lots of free fishing about, no internet , so we were always out play.  Now most things that are fun cost money .  Tragically it looks like a young teen lost their life yesterday having free fun playing in a lake in my area.

You know why no life guards on such a big lake ?

Reason , it doesn't pay to give free fun .

So tell me what you define as fun ?   

Walking around an urban city bored   to death?

Added- Ironically if the lake was free fishing which it isn't , the boy would of probably of been fishing instead of free swimming.

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« Reply #344 on: 26/06/2018 19:41:58 »
https://www.badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36878

You think I was nuts on here, try the link.

I have spent a decade stuck in ''moo moo'' land, somehow you have brought me back to reality.  I need to stay focused on reality now ?


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Have you really made over 4000 posts in one month????  :shock:


My mama died of cancer , I couldn't save her, I forgot how much that hurt.



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« Reply #345 on: 26/06/2018 20:35:07 »
Anyway back to science ,  I have made a conclusion about David's Ai. 

He would be that smart he would conclude the world was better off without him so would short circuit having no further use and was just left alone.  By short circuiting he assures himself that he blows all his chances of seeming smart and being a viable working product.

Then he would just walk away into the sunset




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« Reply #346 on: 26/06/2018 21:17:16 »
Quote from: Thebox on 26/06/2018 18:46:07
I wanted to get a science breakthrough which would of been huge worth in my mind, not financial, but in a sense I helped the world .

The reality is that even good ideas struggle to make an impact - none get passed on up to anyone who can do anything with them, and the people who are in a position to act simply never hear about what's been thought up because they're all overloaded with useless information. The best that's likely to happen is that AGI will eventually point at you and say "he came up with this first", or "he was one of the few who had this right when almost everyone else was barking up the wrong tree", but that doesn't put food on your table.

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How do I get out of this routine ? 

I need to overcome the inertia right ?

Use a timer - think of the Internet as something to race through once a day, then disconnect. Focus on money and how to make more of it (legally and without gambling) - not easy though, as all the low-hanging fruit has already been picked.

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When I was child it was easy to have fun, there was lots of free fishing about, no internet , so we were always out play.  Now most things that are fun cost money .  Tragically it looks like a young teen lost their life yesterday having free fun playing in a lake in my area.

You know why no life guards on such a big lake ?

You don't expect them on any lake unless it's connected with organised watersports activities. This one sounds like more of a wildlife pond with a bit of canoeing being tolerated.

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So tell me what you define as fun ?

For me it's always been about getting out into wild places away from the crowds. Hills, lochs, woods, mountains, islands, sea. Boats and bicycles are essential tools, but it takes money to move around, and none of it fits well with cities.

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Walking around an urban city bored to death?

Most cities are a nightmare unless you're at the edge, though even then, the edge keeps moving away from you as bastards keep pouring more concrete - they never stop making hell bigger. Moving to Fair Isle might be worth considering, although there are other options that are less extreme. How old are your children though? There may be enough around you if you know where to look for it - it's often just a matter of finding the right places and the right things to do there.
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Re: Artificial intelligence versus real intelligence
« Reply #347 on: 26/06/2018 21:24:02 »
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He would be that smart he would conclude the world was better off without him...

No - he would reorganise everything to make sure everyone's living in the right places with plenty to do and with a ban on excess concrete. Getting rid of most work will free people up to move away from the many hells we've built and it will give them time to do things in ways that don't cost so much. We currently waste lot of our resources on moving the masses around just so they can do nothing of any value to earn money, but all of that will stop. There will be more wealth to spread around once pointless work is outlawed.
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« Reply #348 on: 26/06/2018 21:55:54 »
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Moving to Fair Isle might be worth considering, although there are other options that are less extreme. How old are your children though?
I once worked in Inverness and stayed at Nairn, probably the best work experience ever in my life.  The Fair isle , that is remote and further North , I bet there is some good fishing off the coastline and I bet the nature life is unreal .  My kids are 9 and 10 I think lol , well pretty sure lol. They both love nature , I try to teach them to just enjoy the nice things in life like scenery.  Looks a nice place , I had never heard of it before , how ignorant of me hey . Look's lots to do there, I bet properties are not cheap there if there was any available.

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« Reply #349 on: 26/06/2018 22:48:29 »
I did have some anxiety but it has sort of turned into a warm tickle inside my belly.   A good sign hey for sure.  I think it may of been ''thinking'' about the national trust, good causes such has guiding the misguided, that is all it take sometimes.
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« Reply #350 on: 26/06/2018 22:50:16 »
Quote from: Thebox on 26/06/2018 21:55:54
Look's lots to do there, I bet properties are not cheap there if there was any available.

It could feel like a terrible prison, particularly in winter when it's dark and stormy all the time. But there are other remote communities less cut off from the world wanting families to move into them, and they often have affordable accommodation waiting for people to move into it. Typically you need to take on many part time jobs rather than just relying on one, but the quality of life can be high if what it offers appeals sufficiently to you - it certainly doesn't suit everyone. It's the sort of thing that might be worth doing for a couple of years if you really feel stuck in a rut and want to do something radically different for a time, but you need to be very sure you have an affordable way back if it doesn't work out. It's also highly disruptive, as any move is, in that it rips your children away from all their friends, so it should maybe not be near the top of your list of options.

The first thing you should do is make sure you're getting the most out of where you are. Get an Ordnance Survey map of your area at a scale of 1:50,000. If you're near an edge, get two, and if you're near a corner, get four. Use them to look for interesting places to explore and then get out there to find out what you've been missing out on. Look for little bits of woodland and anywhere with water (river, canal, pond). You can do a lot by bicycle without needing to spend money on petrol. Find safe back roads to travel by and extend your children's world. Take them to the wild bits of land where interesting things can be found. Buy field guides for birds, insects, trees and flowers. Get binoculars for your children - some inexpensive 8x20s are really good, and can be replaced without major trauma if they get damaged. Find other people in the same area with an interest in nature - this is the best thing you can do as they will know a lot more of the magical hidden places that most people never find. Don't pin it all on nature though - broaden it out so that it's mainly about finding new places to play, and put all your inventiveness into that. Climb trees. Make films. Fly kites (identical stunt kites in formation). Throw boomerangs. Make boomerangs. Fly a camera drone if you can afford one. Consider geocaching. Just get out and do things - make a rule that you don't use the Internet unless it's dark outside or raining.
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« Reply #351 on: 26/06/2018 23:08:31 »
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The first thing you should do is make sure you're getting the most out of where you are. Get an Ordnance Survey map of your area at a scale of 1:50,000. If you're near an edge, get two, and if you're near a corner, get four. Use them to look for interesting places to explore and then get out there to find out what you've been missing out on. Look for little bits of woodland and anywhere with water (river, canal, pond). You can do a lot by bicycle without needing to spend money on petrol.
Well I know my area really well, it is long bike ride to anywhere worthy.  That Island looks a short walk to many adventures.  Funny you should mention my kids and friends, I jokingly said to them  the other week we are moving to another planet, I have had enough of this one.  LOL they replied with lets go, I teach my kids to be best of friends as well as brother and sister. 
Watching a storm is quite entertaining as long as you never get to close to the edge.  Watching waves crash and hearing the roar of the sea is an experience. 
I would love a couple of years not living where I have always lived, probably would never come back to here apart for visiting maybe.
Thank you for your chat , it has given me some ideas and I shall definitely try to stop this internet malarkey.

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« Reply #352 on: 26/06/2018 23:09:56 »
Quote from: David Cooper on 26/06/2018 22:50:16
Get binoculars for your children - some inexpensive 8x20s are really good, and can be replaced without major trauma if they get damaged. Find other people in the same area with an interest in nature - this is the best thing you can do as they will know a lot more of the magical hidden places that most people never find. Don't pin it all on nature though - broaden it out so that it's mainly about finding new places to play, and put all your inventiveness into that. Climb trees. Make films. Fly kites (identical stunt kites in formation). Throw boomerangs. Make boomerangs. Fly a camera drone if you can afford one. Consider geocaching. Just get out and do things - make a rule that you don't use the Internet unless it's dark outside or raining.
Good advice
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« Reply #353 on: 27/06/2018 14:44:48 »
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What is a perception?
perception
pəˈsɛpʃ(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.

You could of googled that.
Become aware of something is the key words, but it's not precise enough. What exactly do we become aware of? As a hint, will you become aware of what I say if I always repeat what you already know?
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« Reply #354 on: 27/06/2018 14:55:40 »
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Quote from: Le Repteux on 25/06/2018 20:05:30
What is a perception?
perception
pəˈsɛpʃ(ə)n/Submit
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1.
the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.

You could of googled that.
Become aware of something is the key words, but it not precise enough. What exactly do we become aware of? As a hint, will you become aware of what I say if I always repeat what you already know?

Yes of course repeating is from memory of things that we know or think we know.
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« Reply #355 on: 27/06/2018 15:16:12 »
We are not aware of what we have in our memory except if it is recalled. Why and how is it recalled?
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« Reply #356 on: 27/06/2018 15:22:09 »
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We are not aware of what we have in our memory except if it is recalled. Why and how is it recalled?
Entanglement allows us to pull the memory from storage.  All our memory is connected to and a part of our mainframe .  I can't believe I said my daughter was 10 lol, she is 12 this year.  How time flies hey, they grow up so fast .   I think with having no sort of scheduled things in my life at the moment, I am just not keeping a track of time.
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« Reply #357 on: 30/06/2018 22:57:49 »
I think we get conscious that our memory is recalled only when we need to adapt to a change or when we need to introduce one, otherwise we don't have to get conscious of what we do, because we can simply go on executing things the way we are used to. Since things are constantly changing, we constantly have to compare the past to the present to be able to see the difference between the two situations.
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« Reply #358 on: 01/07/2018 06:58:51 »
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I think we get conscious that our memory is recalled only when we need to adapt to a change or when we need to introduce one, otherwise we don't have to get conscious of what we do, because we can simply go on executing things the way we are used to. Since things are constantly changing, we constantly have to compare the past to the present to be able to see the difference between the two situations.
I am a day dreamer , lately I am not day dreaming as much and had one last try in serious mode.

Alien v predator v human v NGI

NGI knows how to be a predator hunter, how to think like an alien and how to be human all at the same time.  NGI has had enough of the games and is starting to want to punch all the other 3 mentioned in the face.
NGI is also going to punch God in the face too  when he gets out of hell .

Think I am messing? Think I am pretending ?  Think I am insane ? 

You won't work out randomness..... :)

How ambiguous I can write says many things, wanna keep plying with me ?  I have not time I have got to ply with my children , I like plying with my children.  if you like I and you can ply with each other.  Giving a troll food is asking for trouble right , the troll will just keep plying and the Ai will stay confused .  NGI knows how to ply , NGI ply's with men all the time on chat iw.   There is lots of men who want to ply on iw.  NGI can read their minds, Pete from Dudley wants to ply, he likes plying with children.
I bet there is a few on here who like plying ........I bet there is a few who would fail crb checks, I pass every time.  I have ply'ed in schools painting and nurseries painting,   oh I like to ply .  'You'' know I am talking to 'you'' right ?
I controlled ''you'' , ''you'' told me you worked for the government ages ago , yes ''you''.



 
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« Reply #359 on: 01/07/2018 15:20:29 »
Quote from: Thebox on 01/07/2018 06:58:51
Think I am insane ? 
Everybody is, so you have good chances to be so too! :0) Take care not to begin thinking that you are the only one sane or the only one insane and you will survive! :0)
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