[guest39538]

Yes the gravity is relative to the electron and proton,  Can't you see that now?

No, of course I can't see it for two reasons.
Firstly it's not true.
Secondly you have made no meaningful attempt to explain it.
The attraction between an electron and a proton is electrostatic and has nothing to do with gravity (which is many of orders of magnitude weaker)

Your so called "algebra" doesn't follow the rules of algebra.
Even if it did, this wouldn't help because you obstinately refuse to explain what any of the letters mean.

All you are doing is clustering the site with nonsense.

No it is not nonsense, consider what you are teaching me , ''The attraction between an electron and a proton is electrostatic and has nothing to do with gravity''

So where is the gravity between a proton and an electron ? 

There isn't any right ?  i.e no mass until combined

Added - Obviously once an electron and Proton is combined there is now a repulsive and attractive force that the weakened affect of force we call gravity.

[Bored chemist]

So where is the gravity between a proton and an electron ? 

It's between the two, pulling them together (classically) .
Why is that an issue?
The fact is that the gravitational attraction is impossible to observe directly, because it's accompanied by the electrostatic force which also pulls them together about 30 orders of magnitude more  strongly.

[Bored chemist]

There isn't any right ?  i.e no mass until combined

Wrong.
The mass of an electron or a proton is perfectly well defined.
I already gave the value for a proton.
The mass of the electron is 9.10938356 × 10-³¹ kilograms

[guest39538]

So where is the gravity between a proton and an electron ? 

It's between the two, pulling them together (classically) .
Why is that an issue?
The fact is that the gravitational attraction is impossible to observe directly, because it's accompanied by the electrostatic force which also pulls them together about 30 orders of magnitude more  strongly.

I disagree, the electrostatic force is the only force acting on a proton and electron,  then this conditions by the combined weakened state binary force , gravity. 

[guest39538]

There isn't any right ?  i.e no mass until combined

Wrong.
The mass of an electron or a proton is perfectly well defined.
I already gave the value for a proton.
The mass of the electron is 9.10938356 × 10-³¹ kilograms

you have weighed a proton on scales to measure that, I am impressed really?

It is almost like someone just gives you those measurements to work with .

[Bored chemist]

you have weighed a proton on scales to measure that, I am impressed really?

Measuring the mass of an electron is a high-school experiment.
The mass of a proton can be found in much the same way.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't true.

http://demoweb.physics.ucla.edu/content/experiment-6-charge-mass-ratio-electron

I disagree, the electrostatic force is the only force acting on a proton and electron,

Reality doesn't mind a bit whether you agree with it or not. It will carry on.

You are plainly wrong.
It's a commonplace experience that gravity acts on, for example, a rock.
That rock is made from electrons and protons.
So, how would gravity "know" whether those electrons and protons are part of a rock (and it should act on them) or not part of a rock (so it wouldn't- according to your strange idea) act on them?

In order for your daft idea to work, gravity has to be able to choose to act on electrons or not, depending on whether they are part of a rock.
It can't.
You are obviously wrong.

[Bored chemist]

then this conditions by the combined weakened state binary force , gravity. 

That's another example of you putting down lots of words that don't mean anything.
Perhaps you should tr putting it in plain English- then we can see where your mistake is.

[guest39538]

then this conditions by the combined weakened state binary force , gravity. 

That's another example of you putting down lots of words that don't mean anything.
Perhaps you should tr putting it in plain English- then we can see where your mistake is.

Science should be able to explain it better than me,   Individual strong electrostatic forces combine , as an independent condition of this , is the creation of a weakened binary force gravity.

[Bored chemist]

Science should be able to explain it better than me, 

There is nothing to explain.
Gravity works, so does electrostatics.
It's just that you, for some reason, don't believe it.

You have no evidence to support your ideas and, as I just showed, they don't make sense.

You should stop posting your uninformed nonsense.

[guest39538]

Science should be able to explain it better than me,

There is nothing to explain.
Gravity works, so does electrostatics.
It's just that you, for some reason, don't believe it.

You have no evidence to support your ideas and, as I just showed, they don't make sense.

You should stop posting your uninformed nonsense.

Quite obviously you do not know the difference between space-time curvature and the linear force of gravity F=ma

An object at rest relative to the rest frame is obviously not following a curved path by using speed and the linear of gravity. 

You are wrong, just because you fail to understand it , that does not mean it is wrong.

Gravity is a binary force and you don't do science, you just reply with wiki instead of thinking.

[Bored chemist]

Gravity is a binary force

You have invented a new term there.
Please define a "binary force".


It's not that I'm unfamiliar with space-time, it's just that it's not relevant here.

[guest39538]

Gravity is a binary force

You have invented a new term there.
Please define a "binary force".


It's not that I'm unfamiliar with space-time, it's just that it's not relevant here.

A binary force is the outcome of two individual singular forces combining. 


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[Bored chemist]

There are two conventional ways to combine vectors such as forces.
You can add them- in which case you get a force.
Or you can multiply them in which case you get the dot product or the cross product.
The dot product is a scalar quantity, so it can't be a force.
The cross product is a force.

So, by combining two forces you either get a force or something that's clearly not a force.

What rule of combination are you using to get this "Binary force" which you have made up?
As I said, you need to define this thing you invented.

[guest39538]

What rule of combination are you using to get this "Binary force" which you have made up?

A + B = G

or

F₁ + F₂ = F₃

[Bored chemist]

But, as I have pointed out, adding two forces just gives you a force.
If you want to get some magic"Binary Force" that you have invented, then you need to show how you get it.
So, for example, If I have two forces 10 Newtons due South and 5 Newtons due East, what is the resultant "Binary force"?
What are the units for it, and how do you calculate it?

[guest39538]

But, as I have pointed out, adding two forces just gives you a force.
If you want to get some magic"Binary Force" that you have invented, then you need to show how you get it.
So, for example, If I have two forces 10 Newtons due South and 5 Newtons due East, what is the resultant "Binary force"?
What are the units for it, and how do you calculate it?

Faraday discovered the electromotive force and Maxwell sorted the maths.  I am an amateur physicist not a mathematician.
You want me to quantify gravity,   not easy.

I will have a think, I do  know what you are asking but it is not that easy. 

I do know if we add

-0.5 +  0.5 = 0

So if A = -0.5 and B = 0.5

A+B=0

So a balance of G , an equilibrium is q0.  Anything other than q0 is an offset and results in acceleration/motion. 

An infinitesimally small change of 0 has a result in motion and force.

So those are the parameters I think we need to look at.   

Let us assume gravity is charge but the offset (amount of charge) is to small to measure at this time.

[Bored chemist]

You want me to quantify gravity, 

No
I want you to explain what yo mean by the phrase you have made up.
That's why I asked you to do it.

for example, If I have two forces 10 Newtons due South and 5 Newtons due East, what is the resultant "Binary force"?
What are the units for it, and how do you calculate it?

Stop going off at irritating  irrelevant tangents full of letters you don't explain, and tell me what this "binary force" is and what it's properties are.

[Bored chemist]

Let us assume gravity is charge

No.
We will not assume something which is known to be wrong.
The Earth plainly has no charge but it has gravity.
So we know that gravity and charge are not the same thing.

[guest39538]

You want me to quantify gravity,

No
I want you to explain what yo mean by the phrase you have made up.
That's why I asked you to do it.

for example, If I have two forces 10 Newtons due South and 5 Newtons due East, what is the resultant "Binary force"?
What are the units for it, and how do you calculate it?

Stop going off at irritating  irrelevant tangents full of letters you don't explain, and tell me what this "binary force" is and what it's properties are.

Its going to be something to do with Coulombs laws,  I am not sure yet, still considering it. 

[Bored chemist]

Its going to be something to do with Coulombs laws,  I am not sure yet, still considering it. 

Since you don't know what it is, you can't use it as the basis for anything so your earlier point is wrong.

I disagree, the electrostatic force is the only force acting on a proton and electron,  then this conditions by the combined weakened state binary force , gravity. 

You can't disagree with reality on the basis of something which you have made up and which you don't know what it is.
That's plainly silly.
So, why not just accept that you are posting rubbish, and stop doing so?

Incidentally, if is anything to do with Coulomb's law then it's not to do with gravity- as I have already explained.
Electricity and gravity are not the same.
The Earth has gravity , but no charge.