[guest39538]

Since you don't know what it is,

I have already told you what it is, you mean I do not know how to do the maths for it don't you?

Added- Who need maths , lets build one of these:


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[Bored chemist]

I have already told you what it is,

No, you have not.
What is a binary force?
You seem to have thought that combining two forces gave something else.
what was it?
Or were you just making up words because you had been backed into a corner?

You were caught out saying the reason you don't accept reality is because of something that's not real.
Why waste the site's bandwidth with your conceited nonsense?

[guest39538]

I have already told you what it is,

No, you have not.
What is a binary force?

Yes I have,  a binary force is two forces united that creates a  new force .   An electron joins a proton under its own force and the proton force.  Once joined the strong individual forces are reduced because of the repulsive force. 

So imagine a single atom ,  imagine a free electron, the free electron is attracted less to the atom than if there was just a single proton because of the electron of the atoms repulsive force . It nulls the force out.

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[Bored chemist]

Yes I have,  a binary force is two forces united that creates a  new force .

So the word "binary" doesn't mean anything because all you have is two forces that combine to give a resultant force.
Why have you put the word "binary" in there?
Were you trying to be clever or something?

[guest39538]

Yes I have,  a binary force is two forces united that creates a  new force .

So the word "binary" doesn't mean anything because all you have is two forces that combine to give a resultant force.
Why have you put the word "binary" in there?
Were you trying to be clever or something?

binary
ˈbʌɪnəri/Submit
adjective
1.
relating to, composed of, or involving two things.


A + B = binary

[Bored chemist]

Yes, but the resultant of any number of forces is a single force.
So, why are you pretending that there's anything "binary" about it?

[guest39538]

Yes, but the resultant of any number of forces is a single force.
So, why are you pretending that there's anything "binary" about it?

Because gravity acts like a single force but is two forces.

A is attracted to B   force 1
B is attracted to A   force 2
N is attracted to N which is G.   Combined force 1 + force 2

I am trying to work some maths out, I will leave this here to remind me .

(-e) - (+1e)= 0

0 = 1.6x10^-19 coulomb - (-1.6x10^-19 coulomb)

added-
9.10938356 × 10-31 kilograms  -   1.6726219 × 10-27 kilograms =

9.10938356 × 10-31 kilograms = 1.6x10^-19 coulomb force?

[Bored chemist]

 I will just compile a quick list of  the things you have said in this thread that don't make sense or are plainly not true.
Then you can go through each one trying to explain it.

An electron has no gravity relative to an electron

A Proton has no gravity relative to a Proton

An electron only has gravity relative to the Proton  and vice versus

You haven't explained what you think "gravity relative to..." means

Gravity is the relative electrostatic force between  a proton and an electron. 

No. Gravity and electromagnetism are different. That's why the Earth has no charge but has gravity.

When a proton and electron are joined the electrostatic force/gravity is then relative to other atoms.  Gravity was hid by 0, 0 charge does not mean 0 force as shown in the Cavendish experiment and the Casimir affect. The strong electrostatic force becomes a weakened state force once the electron and proton is combined.

None of that makes any sense- not least because you keep adding the phrase "relative to" things that are wrong to begin with.

I will show you what world anarchy looks like and go press the anarchy button.
Would you like me too press my button ? 

Just daft.

Have I ever told you I am the Vril king and can like connect to the Universe and see all the signs?

Perhaps the intention is I show ?

What you going do , make me disappear?

I bet you I could write an imaginative piece and make a you tube video that I could make go viral and everyone would believe it.

Want to take that bet ?

I don't care if a meteor falls on my head it is better than this rubbish Earth slavery . 

The best I can say about that is I think your  pills had worn off.

Added-  A proton has no relative mass relative to another proton.   Showing electrostatic repulsion of proton v proton has no gravity , therefore the opposite reaction of repulsion being the force between electron v proton, attraction or formally gravity.
No other proof needed, end off.

OK, you can't spell "of" and the rest isn't any better.

added - I will try algebra

(A+B) =  < A and <B

That's not algebra.

Added - Obviously once an electron and Proton is combined there is now a repulsive and attractive force that the weakened affect of force we call gravity.

That's not "obvious", it's nonsense.


and so on.
You just keep cluttering up the website with this anti-scientific dross.

[Bored chemist]

Because gravity acts like a single force but is two forces.

No it is not.
Why do you persist in that delusion?

[guest39538]

Because gravity acts like a single force but is two forces.

No it is not.
Why do you persist in that delusion?

Quite clearly because in 100's of years of science you do not know the bloody answer and I am explaining the answer but you are being  quite obtuse.   Quite clearly I want the Nobel prize and any royalties etc I might gain so I can give my kids a better life.  Why else ?
Pfffffffff.......

relative
ˈrɛlətɪv/Submit
adjective
1.
considered in relation or in proportion to something else.


added- I will escape what I deem hell, I want to travel, I want to live, I want to escape from circumstance, I am hoping Aliens come, that would be great before I die and most entertaining even if they zapped us all.

[Bored chemist]

It's not that I don't understand the word.
The problem is you are using it in a context where it makes no sense.

"A Proton has no gravity relative to a Proton"
Is as stupid as saying "A dog has no tail relative to a dog".

Having a tail isn't  relative.
A dog has one, or it doesn't.

Posting dross isn't going to win you any prize.

[guest39538]

It's not that I don't understand the word.
The problem is you are using it in a context where it makes no sense.

"A Proton has no gravity relative to a Proton"
Is as stupid as saying "A dog has no tail relative to a dog".

Dude! not the same proton , a different proton,

A proton has no gravity relative to another proton.

An electron has no gravity relative to another electron

An electron has no gravity relative to proton
 
A Proton has no gravity relative to an electron

A proton is attracted to an electron by the strong electrostatic force

An electron is attracted to a proton by the strong electrostatic force

Gravity is relative to an electron and proton (binary) a weaker reduced  force .

Newtons third law , A+B pushes back to reduce the force.

For A attracted to B,  no newtons third law, greater force.

[Bored chemist]

Dude! not the same proton , a different proton,

What?
So you think one of these makes sense:
"A dog has no tail relative to another  dog".
"A dog has no tail relative to the same dog".

Having a tail is not relative.
Having gravity is not relative.
So, once again, what do you mean by "A Proton has no gravity relative to a Proton"?
It doesn't make sense.
Please explain what you mean.
Don't pretend that it's a problem with my understanding.
Carefully read what you have written; look at the meanings of the words and, given that gravity isn't "relative" don't just write the same sh1t again, try writing it better.

[guest39538]

Dude! not the same proton , a different proton,

What?
So you think one of these makes sense:
"A dog has no tail relative to another  dog".
"A dog has no tail relative to the same dog".

Having a tail is not relative.
Having gravity is not relative.
So, once again, what do you mean by "A Proton has no gravity relative to a Proton"?
It doesn't make sense.
Please explain what you mean.
Don't pretend that it's a problem with my understanding.
Carefully read what you have written; look at the meanings of the words and, given that gravity isn't "relative" don't just write the same sh1t again, try writing it better.

It is your understanding sorry, I can't explain it any more simpler  , your dog example is nothing like it. 

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@Mr C

[Bored chemist]

You still make no sense.
Why are you unable to explain what you are on about?
The dog example works just fine.
It shows that you are talking nonsense because "A dog has no tail relative to another  dog". makes just as little sense as your claim that "A Proton has no gravity relative to a Proton".
It does not matter how often you repeat that same stuff- even if you write it on a video- it's not true.
It can't be true because gravity isn't relative.
Two masses attract eachother.
End of story.
That's gravitational attraction for you.
In the case of two protons they also repel eachother because they have charge (which is a different thing).
The gravitational effect is much smaller, so the repulsion wins.
But the gravity is still there.
Otherwise you need some magic mechanism to turn it off when you don't like it.


Why did you waste time  producing a video to repeat what you said, after I explained that simply saying it again wasn't going to help?
Are you hard of thinking?

You also have yet to explain why the sun- made of electrons and protons has gravity if electrons and protons don't have gravity.
To put it another way, you are ignoring the real world.
Why do you do that, yet claim to be doing science?

[guest39538]

You still make no sense.
Why are you unable to explain what you are on about?
The dog example works just fine.
It shows that you are talking nonsense because "A dog has no tail relative to another  dog". makes just as little sense as your claim that "A Proton has no gravity relative to a Proton".
It does not matter how often you repeat that same stuff- even if you write it on a video- it's not true.
It can't be true because gravity isn't relative.
Two masses attract eachother.
End of story.
That's gravitational attraction for you.
In the case of two protons they also repel eachother because they have charge (which is a different thing).
The gravitational effect is much smaller, so the repulsion wins.
But the gravity is still there.
Otherwise you need some magic mechanism to turn it off when you don't like it.


Why did you waste time  producing a video to repeat what you said, after I explained that simply saying it again wasn't going to help?
Are you hard of thinking?

You also have yet to explain why the sun- made of electrons and protons has gravity if electrons and protons don't have gravity.
To put it another way, you are ignoring the real world.
Why do you do that, yet claim to be doing science?

It is not my fault you can''t understand, my friends understand so why can't you understand?

The video is plain and simple, a child could understand it. 

If you can't understand so simple , how are you going to be when I move on to particles popping into and out of existence?

A/t and B/t

[guest39538]

You also have yet to explain why the sun- made of electrons and protons has gravity if electrons and protons don't have gravity.

I have already explained, I am not going to keep repeating myself because you are failing to understand.

A binary gravitational field,  -0.5 + 0.5 = 0

Ok ?

Added- Now I already know you will not understand this   0>0 = 0 = G

(A+B)>(A+B)

[Bored chemist]

I am not going to keep repeating myself

Great.
I have been asking you to stop repeating yourself.
Just answer the question (without making up nonsense about "binary" stuff that's actually unary).
The bit about 0.5-0.5 =0 make sense if you are looking at the Earths charge and it seems we agree- it has zero charge because the + charges and the - charges cancel out (viewed from a distance).

But gravity doesn't.
It "sees" all the electrons and all the protons in the Sun.
So it reaches us here many millions of miles away.
We all know that.

But it doesn't help answer the question.

If a combination of protons and electrons has gravity, how can that happen unless the electrons and the protons have gravity?
Where does the gravity come from?

(BTW, please stop repeating this too- it doesn't say anything, no matter how often you repeat it. Nobody thinks it's anything but trivially true. It just hasn't got anything to do with the issue. It's like saying " protons and electrons have no gravity because the Prime Minister is female". She is- but it's not the reason for gravity.)

  -0.5 + 0.5 = 0