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Not much to stand on, but OK you odds maker, what do you put the odds of my scenario of a universe that has always existed as I described in reply #15?
Universe is the problem word. A universe is space and substance often described observable Universe , with boundaries. Where an infinite universe is not really being specific, it does not account that there may be empty space after the observable universe. If you said space always existed, P=1If you said substance always existed P=0Substance can be removed from the reference frame of space, I can destroy substance with my mind and create it . Space I cannot do anything too, it is pretty tough to say the least. Easier destroying a ghost than space.
Your argument that it represents a missing step in my model is without merit
Wave particles are not ''immortal'' right?
Quote from: Thebox on 03/06/2018 16:33:46Wave particles are not ''immortal'' right? The ISU is immortal in the sense that the landscape of the greater universe, having always existed, is perpetual and is continually being refreshed by the process of Arena Action. That action defeats the progress of entropy by converting old cold galactic matter into fresh hot dense-state wave energy that emerges from the collapse/bang of a preceding big crunch. The collapse/bang is said to "negate" the individual wave-particles that have been accumulated in the big crunch; a big crunch being the result of the convergence of two parent expanding big bang arenas that have expanded into the same space. A big crunch that forms in that overlap space, from the gravitational accumulation of galactic matter from each parent arena, is the major pre-condition to each of the big bang events that are common across the big bang arena landscape of the greater universe.The "negation" of wave particles marks the demise of their individual presence, but their constituent gravitational wave energy cannot be destroyed, even by our powerful imaginations, . The wave energy composition of the negated wave-particles is merged with all of the forms of gravitational wave energy that normally fills the space of an expanding mature big bang arena, i.e., matter in the form of wave-particles, dark matter which are the hints of mass at the convergence of gravitational waves, and dark energy which is the expansion momentum imparted to wave-particles as they form and clump their wave up to the galactic structure that eventually fills all mature big bang arenas, and is what causes arenas to converge and produce big crunches, whew.https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/gallery/43933_06_08_17_6_06_27.jpeg
I really love your ideas, at times I think we are saying the same thing but slightly differently. I can agree in a sense about your always existed version, if you can accept that always existed relates to popping in and out of existence, 01010101010101010101010100101010→∞Is this what you mean ? i think you are saying the cycle/process is immortal?
Quote from: Thebox on 03/06/2018 17:17:50I really love your ideas, at times I think we are saying the same thing but slightly differently. I can agree in a sense about your always existed version, if you can accept that always existed relates to popping in and out of existence, 01010101010101010101010100101010→∞Is this what you mean ? i think you are saying the cycle/process is immortal?Yes, the big bang arena process of Arena Action is perpetual.As for the 01010101 to infinity, you need to make that an infinite series in three dimensions, to represent the big bang arena landscape of the greater universe.
1 is time which is xyz and energy 0t0t0t0t0t0t0t0t I have this math , what do you think?/k = 0 Dispersal of energy Added- because =0 and =0
Quote from: Thebox on 03/06/2018 17:42:151 is time which is xyz and energy 0t0t0t0t0t0t0t0t I have this math , what do you think?/k = 0 Dispersal of energy Added- because =0 and =0Almost. You have to add a time line to each 0/1 combination. Each 0/1 combination is a big bang event somewhere within the three spacial dimensions of the landscape of the greater universe. The associated time matrix is filled with the variable rate that time passes surrounding the massive energy density effects caused by each big bang event.
1 is n-dimensional , it is also the time line. 1 = The field extension of 1 is the ''time line''. Sorry I may be getting a bit confusing, i will try to word it better in a minute , in the mean time here is a diagram of A/A dispersal
The rate that time passes in an around a big crunch is creepy, i.e., it almost stops, while in the "thin" space surrounding a big bang event, time passes at its maximum possible velocity.
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 03/06/2018 17:59:52The rate that time passes in an around a big crunch is creepy, i.e., it almost stops, while in the "thin" space surrounding a big bang event, time passes at its maximum possible velocity.Shouldn't that be the other way around ? Or do you think that in the ''thin'' layers an entropy loses it's energy faster because there is less gain? Less gain means a slower tick rate does it not ? added -Note we must assume each arena must occupy n-dimensional space?
Quote from: Thebox on 03/06/2018 18:16:56Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 03/06/2018 17:59:52The rate that time passes in an around a big crunch is creepy, i.e., it almost stops, while in the "thin" space surrounding a big bang event, time passes at its maximum possible velocity.Shouldn't that be the other way around ? Or do you think that in the ''thin'' layers an entropy loses it's energy faster because there is less gain? Less gain means a slower tick rate does it not ? added -Note we must assume each arena must occupy n-dimensional space?In my view (ISU model) the rate that clocks measure the passing of time is governed by the gravitational wave energy density of the local environment. Therefore in and around a big crunch (nature's most massive black hole of the model) clocks run at their slowest, and so it can be said that time is slowed to the maximum possible in the ISU.The "thin" space is the space formerly occupied by the galactic contents of each parent arena, and so as the big crunch pulls all of the galactic material in the overlap space, by the time the crunch reaches critical capacity and collapse/bangs, all of the surrounding space is at a relatively low level of gravitational wave energy density. That means that clocks will measure the passing of time at a very fast rate in that "thin" space. Some particulars have been left out of that scenario.
Let's take a break. A big soft shelled turtle washed up on my shore line and has begun to smell bad. That will attract gators, and so I have to get a shovel and throw it back out into the lake where it can get consumed in nature's inevitable way.
Shouldn't that be the other way around ? Or do you think that in the ''thin'' layers an entropy loses it's energy faster because there is less gain? Less gain means a slower tick rate does it not ? added -Note we must assume each arena must occupy n-dimensional space?
But wouldn't the energy be so dense, that all things that would normally be in object form would just be a ''pile of slush’'?
or are you suggesting some sort of cold fusion ? I can't see how that would work out. Temperature causes ageing as demonstrated by freezing something to stop it ageing in a sense.
How are you creating a big crunch with absolute zero temperature?
If m=E and E=m it seems an impossibility . The steady state you intend would not happen because of kE of the 'gathering''.
A big crunch would almost certainty have huge temperatures and high energy levels …
… and your notion goes against the time dilation theology . Experiments can show that part of your theory to be the opposite?
I don’t think so, but I’m open to discussing it fully. When we do, let’s be sure to give each other enough time to post, re-read, and edit our posts before the other quotes and responds. I often post right in the reply box, and then go back to review and edit. Sometimes it takes me an hour to get a post just the way I want it.
According to the theory of relativity, time dilation is a difference in the elapsed time measured by two observers, either due to a velocity difference relative to each other, or by being differently situated relative to a gravitational field. As a result of the nature of spacetime,[2] a clock that is moving relative to an observer will be measured to tick slower than a clock that is at rest in the observer's own frame of reference. A clock that is under the influence of a stronger gravitational field than an observer's will also be measured to tick slower than the observer's own clock.
…I understand why your theory says time almost stops in a big crunch event, quoting Wiki and time dilation :QuoteAccording to the theory of relativity, time dilation is a difference in the elapsed time measured by two observers, either due to a velocity difference relative to each other, or by being differently situated relative to a gravitational field. As a result of the nature of spacetime,[2] a clock that is moving relative to an observer will be measured to tick slower than a clock that is at rest in the observer's own frame of reference. A clock that is under the influence of a stronger gravitational field than an observer's will also be measured to tick slower than the observer's own clock.This I disagree with on logic reasons. A stronger gravitational field has greater energy per point, a greater temperature in your big crunch example. Now my logic is simple and invokes very little other than the use of a snowman. A snowman's rate of time is at its greatest rate when the temperature is above freezing. How does this fare against your big crunch notion? Do you see it as unrelated? added- I am not sure and it may take me a while to think about this correctly. I can sort of see it either way. Edit finished
Quote from: Thebox on 03/06/2018 23:51:27…I understand why your theory says time almost stops in a big crunch event, quoting Wiki and time dilation :QuoteAccording to the theory of relativity, time dilation is a difference in the elapsed time measured by two observers, either due to a velocity difference relative to each other, or by being differently situated relative to a gravitational field. As a result of the nature of spacetime,[2] a clock that is moving relative to an observer will be measured to tick slower than a clock that is at rest in the observer's own frame of reference. A clock that is under the influence of a stronger gravitational field than an observer's will also be measured to tick slower than the observer's own clock.This I disagree with on logic reasons. A stronger gravitational field has greater energy per point, a greater temperature in your big crunch example. Now my logic is simple and invokes very little other than the use of a snowman. A snowman's rate of time is at its greatest rate when the temperature is above freezing. How does this fare against your big crunch notion? Do you see it as unrelated? added- I am not sure and it may take me a while to think about this correctly. I can sort of see it either way. Edit finished In your example, the snowman is supposed to represent a clock, and the rate that it melts is supposed to correlate with the passing of time. However, it doesn’t correspond with the changing of the temperate because ice melts faster in heat, not slower, while a clock approaching a hot blackhole will run slower, not faster.Not all analogies work.