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Selling Elephant Tusk & Ivory
« on: 11/06/2018 12:21:13 »
We sell Ivory and Elephant Tusk around the world. We are an organization that buy ivory and elephant tusk on auction in Africa from ceased Elephant Tusk from poachers and sell back to the community of Ivory and Elephant tusk Buyers. We operate legally according to the law and have the best price for the purchase of Elephant tusk and ivory for personals and companies wishing to buy. We offer discrete delivery for buyers with law restrictions in their country. We have other products like; rhino horns and other horn types with animal skins.

Min order...10kg
Max quantity order......10000kg
Origin..... Africa
Price per kg; $2500 USD
Delivery time; 15-21 days

We have marked and unmarked Elephant tusk. Our Elephant tusk are 10-25 years old from the time the Elephant was killed and our Ivory is the finest in the market. For more information concerning Elephant Tusk or ivory.

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Re: Selling Elephant Tusk & Ivory
« Reply #1 on: 11/06/2018 14:43:01 »
Sale of all ivory products is banned, and so are you.
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Re: Selling Elephant Tusk & Ivory
« Reply #2 on: 12/06/2018 11:55:48 »
Rhino horn is not an ancient Chinese remedy - it originated in Vietnam in the past 20 years, and has no scientific evidence to back it up. You may as well chew your fingernails.
But this fad has brought rhinos to the point of extinction - they are not even safe in zoos.

See: https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4562

The elephant ivory trade is equally repugnant, with many dealers selling poached ivory claiming it is legal.
At present, poaching is killing about 10% of elephants per year.
It this continues at a linear rate, elephants would be extinct in the wild in 10 years.
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Re: Selling Elephant Tusk & Ivory
« Reply #3 on: 12/06/2018 20:31:23 »
Is it possible to report the OP to these people?
https://www.cites.org/
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Re: Selling Elephant Tusk & Ivory
« Reply #4 on: 14/06/2018 03:18:16 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 11/06/2018 14:43:01
Sale of all ivory products is banned, .....
That's not quite true. The OP mentioned that the ivory is 20 years old. It's not illegal to buy or sell ivory which is old. I don't know what is considered "old" though. Whomever says its "old" must back up the claim with a written document. Recall that old pianos have ivory keys. You can't ban the sale of those pianos.

https://www.ifaw.org/united-states/news/what-does-new-us-ivory-ban-mean-buyers-sellers-and-elephants

Personally I don't think that its repugnant as Evan does. I just hate to see a species hunted to the point where their numbers drop. To me it'd be like dear hunting for their horns or meat. Sometimes people come across an elephant which died of natural causes. I see nothing wrong with grabbing its tusks at that time. Its the rate of hunting that I find irritating.
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Re: Selling Elephant Tusk & Ivory
« Reply #5 on: 15/06/2018 00:14:36 »
Quote from: PmbPhy on 14/06/2018 03:18:16
Quote from: Colin2B on 11/06/2018 14:43:01
Sale of all ivory products is banned, .....
That's not quite true. The OP mentioned that the ivory is 20 years old. It's not illegal to buy or sell ivory which is old.
You are right, I should have been more specific and said “the commercial import of all African Elephant ivory products is banned”. This has been the case in the US since July 6 2016.
The 20 year rule applies only to items already manufactured (in the UK this is back to 1947) which are already in the US and being sold within the US. You cannot commercially import ivory products no matter what their age. Some non-commercial import is allowed eg musical instruments and museum artifacts.
In the course of my hobby I do handle CITES products, mainly specialist woods certified from plantations or sustainable sources. If I have a need to replace a piece of ivory I will use an artificial product (usually resin based) or bone. I do have some ivory in the form of old knife and hair brush handles which are older than 1947, but if I cut them up to use they are automatically counted as new, so I can’t use them for restoration. I don’t have a problem with this or the fact that I can’t buy raw tusks, because the sale of ivory products was creating a demand that from 2000 was driving an increase in the number of elephants killed. Even the sale of poached or ‘found’ tusks meant ivory was available and driving demand. Many African countries are now burning poached and ‘found’ tusks to prevent them coming onto the market. The only solution appears to be to stop commercial import/export completely.
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Re: Selling Elephant Tusk & Ivory
« Reply #6 on: 16/06/2018 02:37:34 »
It is still legal to sell mastodon & mammoth tusks. These sometimes emerge from the permafrost in Siberia.
- It is likely that humans contributed to driving these to extinction. How much of a contribution is a matter of debate.

You need a microscope to tell the difference between the grain of elephant and mastodon ivory.
- Although on a complete tusk, the curve of the mastodon tusk would be a clear indicator.
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Re: Selling Elephant Tusk & Ivory
« Reply #7 on: 16/06/2018 05:54:52 »
Quote from: evan_au on 16/06/2018 02:37:34
You need a microscope to tell the difference between the grain of elephant and mastodon ivory.
Good point about the legallity of mastodon, I have been tempted to use some for inlays, but the thought of needing to take a microscope through customs isn’t one I would relish.
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