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Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?

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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #20 on: 14/09/2018 21:20:04 »
There are thousands of metals and metal compounds which could potentially be bound to glucose , other nutrients , or hormones that cancer cells constantly uptake .  Concentrated in tumors , these metals would be opaque to even low-dose X-rays .  One frontal X-ray would reveal any tumors , a side X-ray would determine depth if there were any .
 Cheap & easy is the ticket !.....P.M.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #21 on: 15/09/2018 13:13:14 »
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 14/09/2018 21:20:04
There are thousands of metals and metal compounds which could potentially be bound to glucose , other nutrients , or hormones that cancer cells constantly uptake . 

And they are also taken up by healthy cells.
What you seem not to understand is that cancer cells are very very similar to healthy ones- especially in the early stages of development.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #22 on: 15/09/2018 16:19:12 »
The Fermentation Pathway which cancer cells are forced to use , means that 40% of new cell mass is made of amino acids , lipids , and exosomes that they appropriate from their environment.  MIT is already using this "Warburg Effect" to slip chemo -therapeutic drugs into them . Gold nano-particles,  or other metals , might also be absorbed. The issue is radar opacity.  It needs to be enough for low-dose X-rays .
 Alright , critique away .......P.M.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #23 on: 16/09/2018 23:35:14 »
A seductively promising approach is to use boron activation. We design a molecule that is preferentially taken up by a tumor, load it with boron, infiltrate, then irradiate the patient with thermal neutrons. Boron captures neutrons and emits α particles which have a range in tissue of about one cell diameter, so rip the tumor apart with minimal damage to healthy tissue.

This procedure has been used to treat gliomas but is very much a last-ditch approach to a very aggressive enemy, with all sorts of unpleasant side-effects and a huge capital cost of producing a reasonably clean beam of neutrons uncontaminated with γ rays. First, you build a nuclear reactor....then it gets complicated.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #24 on: 17/09/2018 00:47:05 »
        To the Nuclear Medicals
 Make no mistake , I do give the medical professionals , and oncologists a ton of credit .  Their work is incredibly demanding , and the emotional burdens involved stunningly heavy .  I cannot touch that level of expertise , but instead seek to use inventiveness to create crude , cheap , and easy ways to help the fight against cancer .  My idea is to continuously whittle down the cancer , and keep it barely extant for the full life of the patient .  A trace population of cells will have neglegible mutation , and consequently , neglegible malignancy and metastasis .  I am using thermal radiation because of it's absolute local eradication rate .  It is a sledgehammer , not a ball-peen hammer ,thus it cannot be as target-specific , so the question must be asked ; what cost victory ?
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #25 on: 17/09/2018 07:17:58 »
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 17/09/2018 00:47:05
I cannot touch that level of expertise , but instead seek to use inventiveness to create crude , cheap , and easy ways to help the fight against cancer .
We already have those, and we are looking to do better.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #26 on: 17/09/2018 16:41:05 »
 We ares on the same page
 Maestro ! Let me know if you want
 any  medical derivations !....P.M.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #27 on: 17/09/2018 22:03:46 »
You seem to be on the page behind; you are looking for 20th c cancer cures, but we are in the 21st c.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #28 on: 18/09/2018 01:38:20 »
Time to give a listen to :
Pink Floyd - Money !
  Noo one said it better !.....P.M.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #29 on: 25/09/2018 15:42:07 »
               To : Alancalverd
 If you are already loading up
 cancer cells with Boron ( a great
 radar absorbant ) , why not also
 give the tumors a good radar ( .5
 gigahertz ) soak ? Most of the EM
 will pass through the body , doing
 nothing harmful to it , but the cells
 with boron in them will heat up
 and die !  This could be done body-
 wide , no focusing involved , for
 relatively low cost .  Again , what
 cost victory ?...........P.M.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #30 on: 25/09/2018 19:23:57 »
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 25/09/2018 15:42:07
Most of the EM
 will pass through the body ,
The body will absorb 0.5 Ghz radiation quite well. Enough power to damage cancer cells inside the body will certainly damage surface  tissues etc.

Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 25/09/2018 15:42:07
 If you are already loading up
 cancer cells with Boron
You are not.
You are loading them with borates.


If your enthusiasm was coupled with knowledge it would be much more productive.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #31 on: 25/09/2018 20:57:29 »
 Boron Neutron Capture Therapy
This is the crux of the matter . My awesome knowledge can be verified with WIKIPEDIA !  This includes both BNCT & Stealth chemistry .  Add in detailed knowledge of military experience with massive radar irradiation , & you have a recipe for a break-through !  Now then ; BORON has an extremely large radar cross-section .This means that a radar dosage that simply warms human tissue , will raise the boron-containing compounds to a burning-hot temperature . Ergo, cell & tumor death . 
Lastly , since radar does not kill by secondary radiation , a much more effective element  (Gadolinium) can be used. If you doubt , ask Alancalverd , he's got this one .  Alright , how do you like me now ?....P.M.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #32 on: 25/09/2018 20:58:49 »
Boron is still not the same as borate.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #33 on: 25/09/2018 21:58:45 »
         To be or not to be boron .
To : Mr. The Operation Was A Success But The Patient Died .
 The boronophenylalanine , and Sodium borocaptate , that you speak of contain BORON-10 .  So do the Boron-containing nano-particles in the drug mixtures .
My bicycle-flattening cranium is now way too heavy . Daaamit ! PM
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #34 on: 25/09/2018 22:06:41 »
Riddle me this "Professor":

Phosphorus is extremely toxic (lethal doses are in the range of 1 gram) and spontaneously combusts in air--and our bodies typically contain just shy of 1 kg of phosphorus. So why don't we poison ourselves and burst into flame?

~An actual professor
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #35 on: 25/09/2018 22:16:21 »
Spontaneous Human Combustion !
 I KNEW the Gus thing was a secret NASA experiment gone wrong !  Daaaaaamiit !!
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #36 on: 25/09/2018 22:19:51 »
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 25/09/2018 21:58:45
The boronophenylalanine , and Sodium borocaptate , that you speak of contain BORON-10 .  So do the Boron-containing nano-particles in the drug mixtures .

And those compounds have large neutron capture cross sections.

Why do you think they absorb microwaves better than, for example, proteins or water?
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #37 on: 25/09/2018 22:20:59 »
Quote from: chiralSPO on 25/09/2018 22:06:41
(lethal doses are in the range of 1 gram)
You may find that's enough to kill 10 people.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #38 on: 26/09/2018 00:01:54 »
            Microwave Efficacy
A.- Pure proteins : lousy .  Try dry leather .
B.- Water : good .  I eat .
C.- Metals : all hell breaks loose !
Dude , you're water !.........P.M.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #39 on: 26/09/2018 07:31:48 »
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 26/09/2018 00:01:54
            Microwave Efficacy
A.- Pure proteins : lousy .  Try dry leather .
B.- Water : good .  I eat .
C.- Metals : all hell breaks loose !
Dude , you're water !.........P.M.

As you say, we are mainly water and it absorbs microwaves quite well.
Why do you think those boron compounds absorb microwaves better than, for example, proteins or water?
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