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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #40 on: 26/09/2018 16:56:55 »
      We are Devo ( seawater ? ).
Saltwater ( us ) is conductive , but Silver is over 10 million times as conductive .  Conductivity is the main determinant of RFabsorption.  A heavy radar dose will superheat the absorbed silver , without over-heating the exposed flesh & blood.  Since calcium is a conductor , the bones would require angled shielding , & short-pulse dosing .  The bonus there is the potential for bone cancer treatment .  Maxing out the dosages for silver , gold , copper , & aluminum , would help avoid metals poisoning .  Monthly outpatient visits for your " doses " could suppress cancer for life .  Okay , got to take care of that water thing !........P.M.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #41 on: 26/09/2018 19:13:20 »
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 26/09/2018 16:56:55
Since calcium is a conductor
Calcium is a conductor. But calcium phosphate- which is present in bones is an insulator.

It's a bit like the borate/ boron thing you don't understand.
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 26/09/2018 16:56:55
Conductivity is the main determinant of RFabsorption.
Well- sort of.
Mirrors are generally made of metals. They don't absorb em radiation, they reflect it.


Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 26/09/2018 16:56:55
A heavy radar dose will superheat the absorbed silver
If that was true (and it isn't) then it would only be useful if we could paint the cancer silver. If you can do that, why not just remove it?


Is there anything else you would like to be utterly wrong about before you answer the questions people have put to you like
Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/09/2018 07:31:48
Why do you think those boron compounds absorb microwaves better than, for example, proteins or water?
and
Quote from: chiralSPO on 25/09/2018 22:06:41
Phosphorus is extremely toxic (lethal doses are in the range of 1 gram) and spontaneously combusts in air--and our bodies typically contain just shy of 1 kg of phosphorus. So why don't we poison ourselves and burst into flame?

Quote from: Bored chemist on 14/09/2018 19:40:15
How would barium sulphate or thorotrast help with that?
Quote from: Bored chemist on 12/09/2018 20:23:51
why do you think using organometallics will help?


and so on?
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #42 on: 26/09/2018 20:16:20 »
         Tuning Your Instrument
The calcium phosphate issue is a good thing .  Easier to avoid over-heating a bone .  The conductive metals I mentioned can introduced in many forms , including nano-particles , for maximum ANTENNA effect ( RF loves antennas ) . If the silver ( et.al )nano-PARTICLES (not -phates) are strongly irradiated , that 10 million times conductivity WILL cause them to absorb RF ,  & heat way up , just like hi-powered  transmitter antennas do .  Since they will be inside invisible micro-tumors , this will kill those tumors sight unseen ( & unpainted too ) . 
Okay , it's time for YOU to stand in front of a large EAW radar, or grab a radio station's antenna , and tell me that RF doesn't make for some serious heat .  I'm just proposing a way to concentrate it , for medical purposes . 
Alright , I await w/baited breath !.P 
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #43 on: 26/09/2018 21:00:51 »
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 26/09/2018 20:16:20
Okay , it's time for YOU to stand in front of a large EAW radar,
Well, OK, as long as I can  hide behind a piece of metal- which will reflect (and not absorb) the radiation.

That's how radar works. Planes- made of metal- reflect the radar signal.


But, until you can explain how you plan to paint the tumours silver, it doesn't matter a fig anyway.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #44 on: 26/09/2018 22:00:26 »
They do both , especially at RF wavelengths .  Human tissue , how ever , is fairly transparent to UHF .  This is the difference I am trying to take advantage of .  Point-in-case ; the Early Warning Radar example .  If you actually do it , you will find that it harmlessly warms you up , strongly and evenly .  Medi-vac units could use it to both hypo-thermal , and shock .  Any pennies in your pockets would get real hot though ! 
Finally , the tumors are " painted " from the inside .  They absorb the silver as they assimilate the organo-metallic compounds they hoover up , to enable their run-away reproduction . Their gluttony guarantees that they will have far more silver in their composition than healthy cells .
Alright , " Prof. " Nye says bye !..P.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #45 on: 27/09/2018 07:27:02 »
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 26/09/2018 22:00:26
They absorb the silver as they assimilate the organo-metallic compounds they hoover up , to enable their run-away reproduction
And again...
Why would tumour cells accumulate organometallics?

If you have some magic mechanism for getting them to consume some particular material. Then you can just add a toxin to that material and save mucking about with RF.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #46 on: 27/09/2018 11:45:05 »
                Poison vs Heat
The magic formula is called BNCT.
It spot-delivers the metal Boron .
The secondary radiation produced
does not kill all of the cancer cells
present , neither would targeted
drug delivery .  Only cooking the
tumor thoroughly would do this .
The Hot-Needle is designed to do
this , so is Hot-Spot Therapy .   
They could be complementary to
each other , or to immunotherapy
and other treatments . 
Alright , enough mucking around .
Somebody do this , and save a million lives !..........P.M.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #47 on: 27/09/2018 19:38:13 »
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 27/09/2018 11:45:05
It spot-delivers the metal Boron .
Given that boron is not a metal, should I trust the rest of what you say?
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 27/09/2018 11:45:05
Only cooking the
tumor thoroughly would do this .
But it would also destroy surrounding tissue.

Nothing of what you have said in this thread is new.
And none of it is realistically aan improvement on what we have.

All you have done is add a few misunderstandings.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #48 on: 27/09/2018 21:38:42 »
                        Boron
             Refractory Metalloid
          Technically a Non-Metal
   Used in high-temperature , high-strength industrial components .  In practice , Boron makes a better metal than many " Metals " . 
Your argument is " nit-picky " , like the cancer therapies I seek to augment .  No hard feelings , but you walked right into that one ! 
When it comes to surrounding tissue , that is where metastasis hides , most often .  Again I ask ; What price victory ? 
Your reprise ?...........P.M.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #49 on: 27/09/2018 21:53:05 »
You have answered your own question

Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 27/09/2018 21:38:42
What price victory ? 


Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 25/09/2018 21:58:45
The Operation Was A Success But The Patient Died .
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 27/09/2018 21:38:42
In practice , Boron makes a better metal than many " Metals " . 
No.
But it hardly matters.

What have you said that is new?
You have gone on about boron- without understanding that it's not actually used as such.
You have gone on about metals- without realising that they reflect radio waves, rather than absorbing them.
And you have gone on about silver- without offering any clue as to how you might use it (not that it would matter since you are wrong about interaction with EM radiation).

So, what you have said is "if we can magically attach something to cancer cells that is bad for them by some mechanism (like absorbing RF strongly), then we can treat cancer".
Ture, but hardly progress.

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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #50 on: 27/09/2018 22:32:08 »
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 27/09/2018 21:38:42
When it comes to surrounding tissue , that is where metastasis hides ,
wrong. A classic case is a bowel adenoma - often treatable - that metastasises to the brain and kills you. Or breast mets turning up in the spine.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #51 on: 27/09/2018 22:54:26 »
                  Chess Match
Let us concentrate on the top four conductors .  All have been used for decades as electrical mediums for decades .  Receiving antennas can use any good electrical conductor .  The RF waves cause the conductor's electrons to move in sync with them .  Large move-men's require a ground .  Consider the human body ( salt-water sea ) to be an adequate ground for tiny currents .  Rapidly changing electrical currents heat their conductor,ergo "HotSpotTherapy".
Silver, et al , have been used in the human body for many years .  The trick here is to bind them into the cancer cell's food .  Powerful RF should then do the job . 
 You know , I swear I smell electrical insulation burning !..P.M.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #52 on: 27/09/2018 23:53:04 »
                   Alancalverd
Metastasis may be a misnomer .  I am referring to the physical spread of the cancer to nearby tissues .
One note here ; the proposed approach would kill all of the cancer cells , spread throughout the body , equally well .  Blocked by bone would be the only exception .  A different strategy is needed for that . 
Hokay , dinner-time .  I'm feeling peckish all of a sudden !....P.M.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #53 on: 28/09/2018 07:29:13 »
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 27/09/2018 22:54:26
Let us concentrate on the top four conductors . 
Why?
It doesn't matter how often you ignore the fact, good conductors reflect radio waves- that's how radar works.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #54 on: 28/09/2018 07:30:52 »
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 27/09/2018 23:53:04
Hokay , dinner-time .  I'm feeling peckish all of a sudden !....P.M.

After dinner, you can see if you have an answer for this- which you ignored earlier.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 27/09/2018 21:53:05
What have you said that is new?
You have gone on about boron- without understanding that it's not actually used as such.
You have gone on about metals- without realising that they reflect radio waves, rather than absorbing them.
And you have gone on about silver- without offering any clue as to how you might use it (not that it would matter since you are wrong about interaction with EM radiation).

So, what you have said is "if we can magically attach something to cancer cells that is bad for them by some mechanism (like absorbing RF strongly), then we can treat cancer".
True, but hardly progress.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #55 on: 28/09/2018 08:05:46 »
                   Conductors
They do both .  I don't care about the reflected RF , only the absorbed  portion .  If you've ever accidentally
put metal in a microwave oven , you saw sparks .  The absorbed RF caused induced currents , showing that indeed , conductors do absorb & reflect RF radiation .  The silver that was snuck into the cancer cells will absorb some of the radar energy , and rise in temperature as a result .  Even your light-mirror absorbs a little of the EM it sees , it too , gains in temperature .
Okay , hot tumors die .  Yaaay !..P.
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #56 on: 28/09/2018 18:57:19 »
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 28/09/2018 08:05:46
, only the absorbed  portion
Then why do you insist on choosing something where the absorbed fraction is small?
Do you not realise that metals are shiny?

Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 28/09/2018 08:05:46
Even your light-mirror absorbs a little of the EM it sees
And, in many cases the glass in front of it absorbs more .
So, by analogy, in order to heat the cancer cells up to kill then, you would need to char the healthy cells in the way.
By the way, you keep missing this bit
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What have you said that is new?
You have gone on about boron- without understanding that it's not actually used as such.
You have gone on about metals- without realising that they reflect radio waves, rather than absorbing them.
And you have gone on about silver- without offering any clue as to how you might use it (not that it would matter since you are wrong about interaction with EM radiation).

So, what you have said is "if we can magically attach something to cancer cells that is bad for them by some mechanism (like absorbing RF strongly), then we can treat cancer".
Ture, but hardly progress.
« Last Edit: 28/09/2018 18:59:25 by Bored chemist »
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #57 on: 28/09/2018 20:25:52 »
           Shiny , happy people !
 Absorption/Reflection ratios vary greatly depending upon many physical variables .  Take a naturally reflective metal , melt it into a contiguous panel , polish said panel , fasten a flat panel of polished glass to it , and voila !  One shiny , happy mirror !
Barring this configuration , you will have a far more absorptive form of the indicated conductors .
Considering the massively lesser conductivity of the involved flesh , the metal will get burning hot long before the adjacent flesh chars . 
The duration of exposure will determine how far from the tumor the high heat spreads .
Alright , process explained .  Out , out , damned spot !.......P.M.
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« Reply #58 on: 29/09/2018 14:24:07 »
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 28/09/2018 20:25:52
the metal will get burning hot long before the adjacent flesh chars . 
You keep saying that.
It keeps not being true.
Quote from: Professor Mega-Mind on 28/09/2018 20:25:52
Barring this configuration ,
You do realise that's the most conductive configuration, don't you?
You are arguing against yourself there.

Metals do a bad job of absorbing EM radiation in the RF/ µwave regions of the spectrum.
Nothing you say will stop that being true.

You missed this bit again.
Please try to answer it.
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What have you said that is new?
You have gone on about boron- without understanding that it's not actually used as such.
You have gone on about metals- without realising that they reflect radio waves, rather than absorbing them.
And you have gone on about silver- without offering any clue as to how you might use it (not that it would matter since you are wrong about interaction with EM radiation).

So, what you have said is "if we can magically attach something to cancer cells that is bad for them by some mechanism (like absorbing RF strongly), then we can treat cancer".
True, but hardly progress.
« Last Edit: 29/09/2018 14:26:14 by Bored chemist »
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Re: Can cancers be treated by burning them with a hot probe?
« Reply #59 on: 29/09/2018 18:36:37 »
                                  The mystery of electricity
 This is not a straightforward absorption of RF radiation , although diamagnetics such as Boron are often used in radar absorbing materials .  It is really a technique to induce electrical currents in conducting particles concentrated in a lossy medium ( flesh ) .  The powerful , alternating , RF field will cause said particles to experience electron migration , and the semi-conducting body to act as a ground for the micro-currents .  Done correctly , the conducting particle & associated ground material will heat up preferentially , from inherent electrical resistance .  This process is extremely site specific .  The trick is minimizing conductor accum-ulation anywhere but in the tumors .
 To simplify here , you make an incandescent bulb filament out of a cancer tumor .  The thermal heat released will cook every cell in the very immediate vicinity .
 Alrighty then !  Cigarette lighter to the tumor .  Yowch !.....P.M.
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