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Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?

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Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
« on: 13/10/2018 11:12:40 »
As title along with many other things....?
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Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
« Reply #1 on: 13/10/2018 17:42:49 »
Yes.
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Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
« Reply #2 on: 13/10/2018 19:17:59 »
Anyone particular in mind?
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Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
« Reply #3 on: 13/10/2018 22:15:31 »
Right and wrong are difficult to quantify to try and get some one to act as a suicide bomber to kill a political leader who is leading his country on a disastrous course might be a right course of action
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  • Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
    « Reply #4 on: 13/10/2018 23:41:43 »
    Terrorists, maybe. Otherwise, probably not the right way to take things. With most unpleasant people, it's best just to realise that while you can get away from them, they can't - they're stuck with themselves and their lives are hellish. That's why they're so nasty.
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    Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
    « Reply #5 on: 14/10/2018 22:06:42 »
    Quote from: syhprum on 13/10/2018 22:15:31
    Right and wrong are difficult to quantify to try and get some one to act as a suicide bomber to kill a political leader who is leading his country on a disastrous course might be a right course of action
    If you are that sure that it's the right thing to do, you should do it yourself.
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    Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
    « Reply #6 on: 15/10/2018 09:05:08 »
    This is a particulary important topic given online bullying where the bullies try to encourage their victim to commit suicide. More support required in this area.
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    Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
    « Reply #7 on: 15/10/2018 16:11:14 »
    I had in mind of course the attempted assassination of A Hitler (20/07/1944) which might of led to a better outcome to WWII where the attempted assassin one of the few people who had access was considered as a potential future leader to valuable to lose.   
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    Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
    « Reply #8 on: 15/10/2018 18:03:46 »
    Generally considered a Bad Thing to try to persuade anyone to kill himself, but I think it is equally indefensible to bully anyone into staying alive if he genuinely wants to die. This is where the law needs a serious review. Suicide and attempted suicide are not illegal in the UK if you are sufficiently fit and compos mentis to make all the arrangements yourself. The problem arises always and only if you are so sick, disabled, distressed  or mentally incompetent that you need help: it is a crime to assist a suicide.

    So suicide is statutorily denied to those who need it most. In a marginal case, where someone seeks legal assistance (as with Dignitas) it has been argued that a third party purchasing your plane tickets or driving you to the airport, is guilty of assisting a suicide. Fortunately the Crown Prosecution Service has usually ruled that such prosecution would not be in the public interest thus establishing a sensible precedent that should be embodied in statute.
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    Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
    « Reply #9 on: 15/10/2018 21:54:11 »
    Quote from: alancalverd on 15/10/2018 18:03:46
    Suicide and attempted suicide are not illegal in the UK if you are sufficiently fit and compos mentis to make all the arrangements yourself.

    Hello  Alan,  isn't  the  quoted  sentence   contradictory ?

     How  could  any  person  be  considered  compos  mentis  if  they wanted  to  end  their  own  life ?



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    Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
    « Reply #10 on: 15/10/2018 23:48:39 »
    in my opinion it is wrong for anyone to even consider attempting to persuade someone else to kill himself/herself because suicide by itself is not something morally and ethically acceptable.

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    Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
    « Reply #11 on: 16/10/2018 00:04:18 »
    Quote from: tkadm30 on 15/10/2018 23:48:39
    in my opinion it is wrong for anyone to even consider attempting to persuade someone else to kill himself/herself because suicide by itself is not something morally and ethically acceptable.

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    I'm  finding  recently  that  many  questions  always  seem  to  have  several  answers  and  the  subject   and  question  becomes  a  paradox  answers  rather  than  an  absolute  answer.   

    1) Does  anybody  have  the  right  to  dictate  other  lives!

    2) Isn't  it  our  responsibility  to  sometimes  protect  people  from  themselves  because  we  have  empathy!

    Right  or  wrong  is  a  difficult  choice  but  there  is  one  thing  of  which  I  am  certain,  committing  suicide  because  somebody  told  you  too  or  in  the  name  of  some  cause,  would  be  an  act  of  self  stupidity.

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    Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
    « Reply #12 on: 16/10/2018 08:43:06 »
    It wouldn't be wrong if it would be done to bad people
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    Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
    « Reply #13 on: 16/10/2018 12:17:24 »
    Quote from: jarvisss on 16/10/2018 08:43:06
    It wouldn't be wrong if it would be done to bad people

    wrong.
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    Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
    « Reply #14 on: 16/10/2018 20:40:53 »
    Quote from: Thebox on 15/10/2018 21:54:11
    How  could  any  person  be  considered  compos  mentis  if  they wanted  to  end  their  own  life ?
    Quite easily.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittany_Maynard
    and many others.
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    Re: Would it be wrong to try to get somebody kill themselves?
    « Reply #15 on: 22/10/2018 17:50:43 »
    Quote from: jarvisss on 16/10/2018 08:43:06
    It wouldn't be wrong if it would be done to bad people
    Death penalty, its been guilty of murder itself so many times.

    How do you define encourage anyway, condoning it in the media or not stopping someone could be considered as encouragement.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/woman-29-died-euthanasia-clutching-13008980

    That is a bit of a cat among the pidgeons i think
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