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Everyone who isn't me.
There is a serious moral problem here. Nonhuman organisms are covered by statute law that, inter alia, demands that you must not torture a sick pet, trapped or shot vermin, laboratory rat, or any animal that you want to eat, by prolonging its suffering, but it is an offence to end the suffering of another human, however much he asks you to. Given the authority, I would extend the "clean kill" requirement to any human who asks for mercy killing or assisted suicide, and I want the same consideration extended to me.Nonbiological entities don't generally "do unto" me. Active NBEs like wind and waves can harm me, but there's damn all I can do about it apart from studying and avoiding them.
You haven't defined intelligence or consciousness, nor explained why I should give a damn about a machine I can switch off. As for organisations, the only things that have any moral consequence are the people in them.
Whilst a corporation is a legal artefact that can be prosecuted as though it were an individual and is expected to behave as a moral individual, it has no inherent right of survival. I have formed and dissolved corporations for my own convenience - it is simply a vehicle for identifying a transient group of people with the intention to work and trade as one entity.
It is illegal in civilised countries to own a human or to mistreat any other animal, but you can buy, sell, mutilate or starve a corporation precisely because it is inanimate and insensate and exists only as a legal fiction.
Most of my work is done by a car, a plane, and a whole bunch of electronic instruments. I generally look after them (the instruments don't like being left out in the rain, but the car and plane are less likely to get damaged if I leave them in a field) and they look after me, but as a sane adult I don't have any moral duty to them.
Do you want me to apologise to the rock I just tripped over? Or to the EU that I despised so much that I voted against feeding it? Actually, that last one meets the criterion of "doing unto me", which is why it was so despicable, but it is a legal construct that employs human parasites. Like the Communist Party and the Catholic Church, when parasites are employed by an evil organisation they tend to behave immorally - an inversion of the natural order where parasites change the behavior of the host. Hence the clear distinction between corporations and their members.
And remember that alongside "do unto others" there is the equally important "an eye for an eye". Nothing wrong with retributive justice.
Quote from: alancalverd on 13/07/2020 10:07:18You haven't defined intelligence or consciousness, nor explained why I should give a damn about a machine I can switch off. As for organisations, the only things that have any moral consequence are the people in them.I have, although you just don't accept them.Biological entities can also be killed. It's not a reason to ignore them.
That might be true for current situation. But that may change in the future. It depends on how you define people, i.e. what is the boundary condition to determine if something is appropriately called people?
Is there anything which has inherent right of survival? Where does the right come from?
What makes civilised countries morally better than uncivilised countries?
Don't you think that they are also legal fictions?
Quote from: alancalverd on 13/07/2020 10:07:18Most of my work is done by a car, a plane, and a whole bunch of electronic instruments. I generally look after them (the instruments don't like being left out in the rain, but the car and plane are less likely to get damaged if I leave them in a field) and they look after me, but as a sane adult I don't have any moral duty to them.In the light of universal terminal goal, one of your moral duty to them is to not break them down willy nilly.
Modern humans make decisions based on the information they get from news and social media, among some other sources such as their own experience. Those data feeds are increasingly controlled by algorithms running in the cloud servers utilizing artificial intelligence. Their influence on human individuals might be more significant than influence of other human individuals.
I'm not the one who promoted golden rule as a universal moral standard.
What makes a human parasite?
What makes an organization evil?
What's the retributive justice for a rapist?
A homeless man who sleeps in a public space?
A homeless man who sleeps in a private space?
There are acceptable reasons for killing biological entities. In a finite environment, biology is competitive, and the definition of an animal is a biological entity that cannot synthesise its own body parts from inorganic materials, which means that for the most part we kill other BEs to eat.
If its parents were classified as homo sapiens.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 13/07/2020 12:42:25Is there anything which has inherent right of survival? Where does the right come from? It is conferred (or not) by other living things. In most cases the right is conferred on an entire species but can be set aside for individuals that threaten or inconvenience me.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 13/07/2020 12:46:30What makes civilised countries morally better than uncivilised countries? A lack of corruption, a legal system based on the notion of the state serving the citizen, and equality before the law.Quote Don't you think that they are also legal fictions? no. A country is a bounded area with a consistent legal system. I can see New Zealand on the map and on the ground, and as long as the inhabitants maintain an adequate military force to defend it, it will probably remain a civilised country in fact. Likewise northern Europe. Most of the English-speaking world, with the obvious exception of the USA, at least has civilised pretensions.