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And remember that alongside "do unto others" there is the equally important "an eye for an eye". Nothing wrong with retributive justice.
Quote from: alancalverd on 13/07/2020 10:07:18You haven't defined intelligence or consciousness, nor explained why I should give a damn about a machine I can switch off. As for organisations, the only things that have any moral consequence are the people in them.I have, although you just don't accept them.Biological entities can also be killed. It's not a reason to ignore them.
You haven't defined intelligence or consciousness, nor explained why I should give a damn about a machine I can switch off. As for organisations, the only things that have any moral consequence are the people in them.
That might be true for current situation. But that may change in the future. It depends on how you define people, i.e. what is the boundary condition to determine if something is appropriately called people?
Is there anything which has inherent right of survival? Where does the right come from?
What makes civilised countries morally better than uncivilised countries?
Don't you think that they are also legal fictions?
Quote from: alancalverd on 13/07/2020 10:07:18Most of my work is done by a car, a plane, and a whole bunch of electronic instruments. I generally look after them (the instruments don't like being left out in the rain, but the car and plane are less likely to get damaged if I leave them in a field) and they look after me, but as a sane adult I don't have any moral duty to them.In the light of universal terminal goal, one of your moral duty to them is to not break them down willy nilly.
Most of my work is done by a car, a plane, and a whole bunch of electronic instruments. I generally look after them (the instruments don't like being left out in the rain, but the car and plane are less likely to get damaged if I leave them in a field) and they look after me, but as a sane adult I don't have any moral duty to them.
Modern humans make decisions based on the information they get from news and social media, among some other sources such as their own experience. Those data feeds are increasingly controlled by algorithms running in the cloud servers utilizing artificial intelligence. Their influence on human individuals might be more significant than influence of other human individuals.
I'm not the one who promoted golden rule as a universal moral standard.
What makes a human parasite?
What makes an organization evil?
What's the retributive justice for a rapist?
A homeless man who sleeps in a public space?
A homeless man who sleeps in a private space?
There are acceptable reasons for killing biological entities. In a finite environment, biology is competitive, and the definition of an animal is a biological entity that cannot synthesise its own body parts from inorganic materials, which means that for the most part we kill other BEs to eat.
If its parents were classified as homo sapiens.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 13/07/2020 12:42:25Is there anything which has inherent right of survival? Where does the right come from? It is conferred (or not) by other living things. In most cases the right is conferred on an entire species but can be set aside for individuals that threaten or inconvenience me.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 13/07/2020 12:46:30What makes civilised countries morally better than uncivilised countries? A lack of corruption, a legal system based on the notion of the state serving the citizen, and equality before the law.Quote Don't you think that they are also legal fictions? no. A country is a bounded area with a consistent legal system. I can see New Zealand on the map and on the ground, and as long as the inhabitants maintain an adequate military force to defend it, it will probably remain a civilised country in fact. Likewise northern Europe. Most of the English-speaking world, with the obvious exception of the USA, at least has civilised pretensions.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 13/07/2020 13:06:39Quote from: alancalverd on 13/07/2020 10:07:18Most of my work is done by a car, a plane, and a whole bunch of electronic instruments. I generally look after them (the instruments don't like being left out in the rain, but the car and plane are less likely to get damaged if I leave them in a field) and they look after me, but as a sane adult I don't have any moral duty to them.In the light of universal terminal goal, one of your moral duty to them is to not break them down willy nilly. That's an economic choice, not a moral duty. I can scrap stuff for which I have no further use (or so The Boss tells me - I quite like living in a science museum!) QuoteModern humans make decisions based on the information they get from news and social media, among some other sources such as their own experience. Those data feeds are increasingly controlled by algorithms running in the cloud servers utilizing artificial intelligence. Their influence on human individuals might be more significant than influence of other human individuals. Anyone who trusts "social media " (whatever that is) above his own judgement is a fool. My decisions are based on need, experience, and corroborated or verifiable data. I've had viral diseases, and have a good friend who suffered from the currently fashionable one, so my present behavior is based on that knowledge, not what President Cummings would like you to believe.
Anything from endemic corruption and incompetence to outright antisocial behavior.
Prison, with the option of suicide.
Can humans be classified as animal?.
What gives homo sapiens such privilege? What if a human specimen has no parent, e.g. by growing a syntetic zygote in an artificial womb?
Why it's called inherent in the first place?
What makes lack of corruption, a legal system based on the notion of the state serving the citizen, and equality before the law, morally better?
Does the king/queen equal peasants?
Can you see Mongolia or Switzerland from ISS?
What makes the result of this war more than legal fictions?
A multibillionaire buys all Lithium on earth and then send them to the sun for fun. You can imagine the next story.
More information is generated than a human individual can verify each day. We are often forced to make decision based on unverified information due to time constraint.
Quote from: alancalverd on 13/07/2020 13:42:52Anything from endemic corruption and incompetence to outright antisocial behavior.What makes them evil? What makes them different from something else which are not evil?
Quote from: alancalverd on 13/07/2020 13:51:31Prison, with the option of suicide.That's not an eye for an eye.
People's tolerance from privacy breaching varies widely.