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Quote from: alancalverd on 01/01/2021 17:41:35Nothing to do with generalised "conscious agents". Morality is purely human because we have no way of knowing what any other species thinks. And I'm happy that I have shown it to give consistent results.How do you know other humans think? What if human colonizers of Mars evolved to adapt there so they are no longer interbreed with earthbound humans? Do they stop having morality?
Nothing to do with generalised "conscious agents". Morality is purely human because we have no way of knowing what any other species thinks. And I'm happy that I have shown it to give consistent results.
Black is the absence of visible light, white is a spectrum approximating to sunlight. Grey is what we perceive when the level of white light is above zero and insufficient to saturate the retinal rods. Optical illusions are just that - misconstrued data.
Those exceptions make lying not inherently immoral.
How do you explain that those exact same colors are perceived differently?
At which point do you think they started to apply morality?
Whether it is a Big Deal is another matter. As I argued elsewhere, morality is binary but the impact of an immoral act, and therefore the extent to which it should be punished, lies on a continuum.
Rotten Tomatoes' numerical rating is not an average review score as the percent indicator may suggest, but it's a measurement of consensus. Every review, whether it's a middle of the road review, an extreme positive, or an extreme negative, is converted into a simple thumbs up or thumbs down, and the final percentage indicator only specifies what percent of reviewers gave it a positive score to any degree. As a result, the Tomatometer disproportionately benefits safe, middle-of-the-road movies and penalizes polarizing movies that have a lot of rave reviews but a handful of detractors.As an example, if there's 100 reviews submitted to Rotten Tomatoes, the movie with 100 three-star (out of five) reviews is going to get 100%, whereas a movie that gets 80 ten-star reviews and 20 two-and-a-half-star reviews is going to be ranked significantly lower at 80%. The Tomatometer doesn't reveal any nuance, giving most people the impression that the middle-of-the-road safe movie is vastly superior to the polarizing movie with mostly rave reviews. This phenomenon was fully exposed with Joker's reviews.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 02/01/2021 09:46:06It's just a matter of time until AGIs write better laws and regulations than human lawmakers. A semiliterate chimpanzee couldn't write worse laws than the European Union, but you'd need to define a "better" law to make your point.
It's just a matter of time until AGIs write better laws and regulations than human lawmakers.
Here is another problem found related to binary thinking.
First, define the goal of the law, or intended consequences to be expected by applying the law.
Intelligence is best defined as constructive laziness. What you do with it may or may not be immoral depending on its effect on others.
Not to be confused with criminal negligence.
They involve effectiveness and efficiency.
What makes them different?
Morality of a system is intended to protect the system from harm caused by conscious agents happen to be its members. The maximum harm is which causes the system's death or disappearance. An individual morality protects from suicidal behavior of the individual itself, which is its sole agent. Tribal morality protects the tribal system from harmful behaviors of its members. This can be generalized for larger systems such as religious, national, international systems. It just happen that protecting it's members tend to improve the survival rate of the system itself. That's why we get human rights as a member of humanist system.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/01/2021 12:54:46They involve effectiveness and efficiency.Effectiveness: achieving a desired resultEfficiency: using the least energy to do somethingLaziness: achieving a personally desired result with the least expenditure of energy. Indistinguishable from intelligence. The flat-earther flies on a constant bearing. The intelligent pilot takes a great circle and saves both time and energy.
There is nothing immoral about suicide. Banning suicides from Catholic burial, and banning assisted suicide, are immoral because they fail my tests.
Religious systems are inherently immoral because they impose actions of faith on individuals who have the intelligence not to waste their time or sacrifice their chickens or children for no purpose other than the glorification of the priest who told them to.
Human rights are not necessary in a civilised society whose laws are based on wrongs. They are only required under Roman-type laws where the citizen exists to serve the state.