[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

https://neurosciencenews.com/emotion-psychopathy-teens-18249/

Summary: Teens who display callous-unemotional traits are at higher risk of developing psychopathic traits as they enter adulthood.

A pioneering study with the Portuguese population shows that adolescents with high levels of callous-unemotional traits demonstrate lower levels of anticipated guilt towards the possibility of committing an immoral act and struggle to judge an immoral act as a wrong one.

Although the callous-unemotional traits in adolescents are known to be precursors of psychopathy in adulthood, the results of the study differ from what is known about psychopaths. “Adults with psychopathic traits show low levels of anticipated guilt but consider immoral actions as wrong. However, in our study, adolescents with high CU levels show levels of guilt and judge immoral actions as less wrong,” explains Margarida Vasconcelos, first author.

However, researchers have found evidence of a dissociation between moral emotions and moral judgment, that is, between the feelings of guilt and the judgment of immoral actions. “Even in adolescents with sub-clinical levels of callous-unemotional traits, this dissociation typical in psychopathy in adulthood is already happening during development,” explains the study coordinator Ana Seara Cardoso.

[alancalverd]

What are their greed and power for? Those are meaningless for them once they die.

Which is why they do their evil when they are alive.
My father was working on the ground stability of a new power station, right up to the day of his retirement. At his leaving party someone asked him what they should do if it slid down the hill into the sea. He said "If it happens after 4 pm today, don't phone me."   

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Summary: Teens who display callous-unemotional traits are at higher risk of developing psychopathic traits as they enter adulthood.

Ability to feel empathy requires a conscious agent to model a situation from the perspective of other agents with similar characteristics to itself. For some complex organisms, it is an innate ability. Most simple organisms doesn't have it.

Most organisms don't have the ability to model surrounding situations from the perspective of other conscious entities significantly different than themselves. It takes computational resources which might cost too much  for surviving in the wild. So it's understandable that it doesn't develop naturally.

Psychopathic persons have reduced ability to subconsciously model surrounding situations from the perspective of other human beings. They may still have ability to consciously model surrounding situations from the perspective of other human beings. Psychopathic criminals need it to deceive their victims or law enforcers.

People also developed anthropomorphism, which attribute human traits, emotions, or intentions to non-human entities. It may be done consciously or subconsciously. Some non-human entities do show some human traits, humanlike emotions and intentions. In some situations they can behave just like how average humans would behave.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Which is why they do their evil when they are alive.

Of course. How would they do it when they are dead already?
IMO, there are some possible things that makes them did those evil actions.
- They believe that their evil actions are necessary to prevent greater evil. Nazis and Aztecs examples above may be grouped here. Ironically, Nazi's reasonings to commit genocide on Jews were similar to ancient Jews' toward Canaanites.
- They didn't think that their actions were evil by moral standards of their successors. Slavery by US forefathers may be an example.
- They believe that their own pleasure or instinct is the highest moral standard, regardless of the consequences to others. It implies that there is no moral standard higher than on individual level. Serial killing by Ted Bundy may be an example.
We can see a pattern here that all of those points above stem from false beliefs or assumptions.

[alancalverd]

A philosophy is more advanced if it is based on more accurate description of  objective reality.

That's the basis of science, not philosophy.

[alancalverd]

Summary: Teens who display callous-unemotional traits are at higher risk of developing psychopathic traits as they enter adulthood.

In other words, an old psychopath is a young psychopath who got older. I'm sure that discovery cost the taxpayer a lot of money.

[alancalverd]

The Nazi modus operandi was to nominate an "enemy within". Anyone will do: Trotskyites, Mexicans, coal miners, homosexuals, anyone who could be identified as "different" regardless of relevance or even facts. It's a development of Machiavelli's method for generating political  cohesion, without the need for a dangerous and expensive war against a real or perceived foreign enemy, and the beauty is that you can pick a weak minority, so that you can't lose. Best of all is a fairly invisible minority, so you can accuse anyone of being or befriending an internal enemy of the state.

Nothing to do with morals, just the everyday business of politics.

There's no evidence that the early Nazis believed their own propaganda, but that's not the point: the object is to get everyone else to believe it. Problems arise when you believe it yourself, and invade Russia. 

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

A philosophy is more advanced if it is based on more accurate description of  objective reality.

That's the basis of science, not philosophy.

Science started as a branch of philosophy, namely natural philosophy.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Summary: Teens who display callous-unemotional traits are at higher risk of developing psychopathic traits as they enter adulthood.

In other words, an old psychopath is a young psychopath who got older. I'm sure that discovery cost the taxpayer a lot of money.

Not all psychopaths end up as criminal. Many successful surgeons are known to have psychopathic traits at various degrees.

[alancalverd]

Science started as a branch of philosophy, namely natural philosophy.

That statement is symptomatic of the arrogance of philosophers. Philosophy has never been anything more than intellectual masturbation and has nothing to do with scientific investigation.

[alancalverd]

Not all psychopaths end up as criminal.

I haven't suggested that they do.

 

Many successful surgeons are known to have psychopathic traits at various degrees.

I can strongly recommend "The Knife's Edge", an autobiography by an old friend and colleague Stephen Westaby. It's a good racy read and a great insight into the mind of a surgeon and the stupidity of modern management. Not quite a psychopath, but a man who can set empathy aside and take calculated risks on the basis of pure science and the desire to save lives.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Nothing to do with morals, just the everyday business of politics.

If their decisions and actions, or inaction, can bring good or bad consequences to conscious beings, then they are subject of morality.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Science started as a branch of philosophy, namely natural philosophy.

That statement is symptomatic of the arrogance of philosophers. Philosophy has never been anything more than intellectual masturbation and has nothing to do with scientific investigation.

Do you know the title of the books regarded as starting point of modern science?
Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica by Isaac Newton, often referred to as simply the Principia, is a work in three books written in Latin, first published 5 July 1687.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Not quite a psychopath, but a man who can set empathy aside and take calculated risks on the basis of pure science and the desire to save lives.

The empathic response can be generated subconsciously/spontaneously, hence uncontrolled, and also consciously, which makes it under control.
The research I mentioned previously seems to focus on subconscious empathy. Being subconscious, the computational process can be more energy efficient and done quickly, although the accuracy may be not so good for some unusual cases.

[alancalverd]

Copernicus, Bruno and Galileo preceded Newton. The problem is that the word "science" didn't appear until the 18th century, although scientific method can be traced back to 3000 BC.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Copernicus, Bruno and Galileo preceded Newton. The problem is that the word "science" didn't appear until the 18th century, although scientific method can be traced back to 3000 BC.

Despite the publication ban, Galileo published his Discourses and Mathematical Demonstrations Relating to Two New Sciences (Discorsi e Dimostrazioni Matematiche, intorno a due nuove scienze) in 1638 in Holland, outside the jurisdiction of the Inquisition.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Morality talks about the good and bad things from the perspective of conscious beings, which is closely related to the achievement of their terminal goals. Universal morality must aim to achieve universal terminal goal, which I discuss in another thread.

Whatever happened in the past will become memory for present and future conscious beings. Whatever we are doing now are becoming events in the past.
If our actions have no effect whatsoever to future conscious beings, they will be meaningless. It could happen if we go extinct and the conscious beings exist in the future emerge/evolve independently from our lineage.

Whatever the future conscious beings might be, they are extremely unlikely to appear suddenly out of nowhere in a single shot. It's much more probable that they will emerge as products of evolutionary process through natural selection in many generations. The process will be continued by artificial selection. The variations of their characteristics will shift from mainly provided by random mutation to a more directed intentional changes.

Directed intentional changes means that before implementation, the changes would be simulated first in a virtual environment. It can be someone's brain or many types of computers, or some experimental setup. Only changes wich are expected to bring intended consequences and minimum unwanted side effects will then be implemented. Otherwise they would be discarded.

We can't change conditions of the past. So we shouldn't waste our time and other resources trying to do that. Present condition will become the past in a moment. Hence we should direct our efforts and allocate resources to improve our conditions in the future.
The conscious beings exist in the future could include the continuation of our ego, our direct descendants, or something else that we create. They are basically modified duplicates of ourselves, better suited for future conditions. So if our actions now don't align with the goal of improving the well being of future conscious beings, those actions will be considered as wasteful, hence must be hindered.

We can't change conditions of the past. So we shouldn't waste our time and other resources trying to do that. Present condition will become the past in a moment. Hence we should direct our efforts and allocate resources to improve our conditions in the future.
The conscious beings exist in the future could include the continuation of our ego, our direct descendants, or something else that we create. They are basically modified duplicates of ourselves, better suited for future conditions. So if our actions now don't align with the goal of improving the well being of future conscious beings, those actions will be considered as wasteful, hence must be hindered.

[alancalverd]

Morality talks about the good and bad things from the perspective of conscious beings

No, just from the perspective of homo sapiens. Even if you could define conscious, we have very little idea of what any other species thinks.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Morality talks about the good and bad things from the perspective of conscious beings

No, just from the perspective of homo sapiens. Even if you could define conscious, we have very little idea of what any other species thinks.

Human morality is taken from the perspective of humans.
Jewish morality is taken from the perspective of Jews.
Nazi's morality is taken from the perspective of Nazis.
Universal  morality is taken from the perspective of universal consciousness.

[alancalverd]

About which you know nothing - even the concept is meaningless.