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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1780 on: 19/07/2021 15:02:48 »
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 14:42:45
Would anything that I could think stop the Chinese from cooking dogs alive or persuade Muslims that little girls should not be butchered?
I to am against cruelty to animals and human beings but what you say is very rare and far between the world has dished out the worst and that is not your fault I have seen cows hung by their back legs and beaten to death animals that are caged as there is no refrigeration children that have /////////// so welcome to the human race who really is the animals of the worst kind a human being. But not all.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1781 on: 19/07/2021 15:13:00 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 19/07/2021 15:02:48
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 14:42:45
Would anything that I could think stop the Chinese from cooking dogs alive or persuade Muslims that little girls should not be butchered?
I to am against cruelty to animals and human beings but what you say is very rare and far between the world has dished out the worst and that is not your fault I have seen cows hung by their back legs and beaten to death animals that are caged as there is no refrigeration children that have /////////// so welcome to the human race who really is the animals of the worst kind a human being. But not all.

Actually the Chinese are cooking dogs alive right now and there is a Muslim girl being mutilated as you read this so these things are not few and far between they are common. 

Now where did you see a cow hung by it's back legs and beaten to death?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1782 on: 19/07/2021 15:28:36 »
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 15:13:00
Now where did you see a cow hung by it's back legs and beaten to death?
You must be brave and be your self do not hide and speak your mind we both orbit a big world. Yes I have seen the worst and I have heard the cries there is slaughter in this world till we all die. We all have blood on our hands but most only now it within and not in the flesh.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1783 on: 19/07/2021 15:50:28 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 19/07/2021 15:28:36
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 15:13:00
Now where did you see a cow hung by it's back legs and beaten to death?
You must be brave and be your self do not hide and speak your mind we both orbit a big world. Yes I have seen the worst and I have heard the cries there is slaughter in this world till we all die. We all have blood on our hands but most only now it within and not in the flesh.
So in other words you have never seen a cow hung by it's back legs and beaten to death.   You claim to have seen the worst, so have you ever seen a person's head sawed off slowly because of what they believe? 
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1784 on: 19/07/2021 16:17:21 »
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 15:50:28
So in other words you have never seen a cow hung by it's back legs and beaten to death.   You claim to have seen the worst, so have you ever seen a person's head sawed off slowly because of what they believe?
No, I haven't seen that act but I have seen just as much trauma with people and animals and I do not think this is the right place to share such things as that. I will say that it sounds like you have had some very bad experiences and I understand the pain that it brings I to am brave and continue to live with memories that stay with me I know I live in Australia and times here are not as bad as some other places in the world but for some reason I to have been there.
 
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1785 on: 19/07/2021 16:56:40 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 19/07/2021 16:17:21
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 15:50:28
So in other words you have never seen a cow hung by it's back legs and beaten to death.   You claim to have seen the worst, so have you ever seen a person's head sawed off slowly because of what they believe?
No, I haven't seen that act but I have seen just as much trauma with people and animals and I do not think this is the right place to share such things as that. I will say that it sounds like you have had some very bad experiences and I understand the pain that it brings I to am brave and continue to live with memories that stay with me I know I live in Australia and times here are not as bad as some other places in the world but for some reason I to have been there.
Actually you said that you have seen a cow hung by it's back legs and beaten to death, so was this a lie or a fantasy that you created to make a point, perhaps that vegetarians are superior to meat eaters?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1786 on: 19/07/2021 17:14:05 »
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 16:56:40
Actually you said that you have seen a cow hung by it's back legs and beaten to death, so was this a lie or a fantasy that you created to make a point, perhaps that vegetarians are superior to meat eaters?
No it was not a lie I did see a cow beaten to death in that way as it was shown on Australian TV. I have had blood on my hands and clothes and shoes from people that have passed and survived I know the blue bag only too well. There is no need for details is there as you must already know. I was not in the Korean war but have experienced the same trauma by other means.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1787 on: 19/07/2021 17:22:58 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 19/07/2021 17:14:05
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 16:56:40
Actually you said that you have seen a cow hung by it's back legs and beaten to death, so was this a lie or a fantasy that you created to make a point, perhaps that vegetarians are superior to meat eaters?
No it was not a lie I did see a cow beaten to death in that way as it was shown on Australian TV. I have had blood on my hands and clothes and shoes from people that have passed and survived I know the blue bag only too well. There is no need for details is there as you must already know. I was not in the Korean war but have experienced the same trauma by other means.

So Australian TV allows cows to be shown being beaten to death on Australian TV, I find this dubious.  In America this would not be shown as it constitutes animal torture and there would be an investigation and prosecution, it might be reported but not shown.  You forgot to mention if you were a vegetarian or not?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1788 on: 19/07/2021 17:45:39 »
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 17:22:58
So Australian TV allows cows to be shown being beaten to death on Australian TV, I find this dubious.  In America this would not be shown as it constitutes animal torture and there would be an investigation and prosecution, it might be reported but not shown.  You forgot to mention if you were a vegetarian or not?
I can't say I'm sorry that you did not get to see such a horrible thing I'm glad you did not see this it was a news presentation showing what is happening to Australian cattle that are exported to third world countries that can not apparently afford a head hammer to despatch animals humanely. Rather than hitting a cow on the head many times to kill it a very cheap apparatus can do the job with one very powerful blow. And yes I do eat meat and I have ringed the necks of many chickens in the past why are you so interested in this part of life have you got experience with this distasteful occupation.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1789 on: 19/07/2021 17:53:03 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 19/07/2021 17:45:39
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 17:22:58
So Australian TV allows cows to be shown being beaten to death on Australian TV, I find this dubious.  In America this would not be shown as it constitutes animal torture and there would be an investigation and prosecution, it might be reported but not shown.  You forgot to mention if you were a vegetarian or not?
I can't say I'm sorry that you did not get to see such a horrible thing I'm glad you did not see this it was a news presentation showing what is happening to Australian cattle that are exported to third world countries that can not apparently afford a head hammer to despatch animals humanely. Rather than hitting a cow on the head many times to kill it a very cheap apparatus can do the job with one very powerful blow. And yes I do eat meat and I have ringed the necks of many chickens in the past why are you so interested in this part of life have you got experience with this distasteful occupation.

However even that does not equal tying a dog up and throwing it alive in the fire while it screams, and Chinese mothers do this in view of the children.  Nor does what you stated equal holding down a small girl and cutting off a part of her vagina because the Quran says to do this. 
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1790 on: 19/07/2021 18:14:02 »
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 17:53:03
However even that does not equal tying a dog up and throwing it alive in the fire while it screams, and Chinese mothers do this in view of the children.  Nor does what you stated equal holding down a small girl and cutting off a part of her vagina because the Quran says to do this. 
You are correct I have never seen such an act of an intention. I have seen gunshot injuries bashings and slashings some that survive and some that do not. And I have seen car and industrial injuries fire and many other things. And all too often I go and have my break I open my lunch box and eat my food while trying to forget what I just was a part of and if it was a burn victim just eat with the smell in my nose. I will never tell anyone of the very details not even my loved ones.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1791 on: 19/07/2021 18:35:53 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 19/07/2021 18:14:02
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 17:53:03
However even that does not equal tying a dog up and throwing it alive in the fire while it screams, and Chinese mothers do this in view of the children.  Nor does what you stated equal holding down a small girl and cutting off a part of her vagina because the Quran says to do this. 
You are correct I have never seen such an act of an intention. I have seen gunshot injuries bashings and slashings some that survive and some that do not. And I have seen car and industrial injuries fire and many other things. And all too often I go and have my break I open my lunch box and eat my food while trying to forget what I just was a part of and if it was a burn victim just eat with the smell in my nose. I will never tell anyone of the very details not even my loved ones.

If you say so, but I still have seen Chinese mothers tying dogs up and cooking them alive while their children listen to the screams and Muslim mothers cutting off their daughters clitoris.  So it's not all about you in the big picture
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1792 on: 19/07/2021 18:40:44 »
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 18:35:53
If you say so, but I still have seen Chinese mothers tying dogs up and cooking them alive and Muslim mothers cutting off their daughters clitoris.  So it's not all about you in the big picture
You say that you have seen these things on TV in BOOKS or in PERSON. or are you just making this up.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1793 on: 19/07/2021 19:07:38 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 19/07/2021 18:40:44
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 18:35:53
If you say so, but I still have seen Chinese mothers tying dogs up and cooking them alive and Muslim mothers cutting off their daughters clitoris.  So it's not all about you in the big picture
You say that you have seen these things on TV in BOOKS or in PERSON. or are you just making this up.

You might have heard of an invention called

THE INTERNET
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1794 on: 19/07/2021 19:25:41 »
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 19:07:38
You might have heard of an invention called

THE INTERNET
You need help you are look up things like that and then pushing this on a site like this I thought you may have had some bad experiences but it looks like you just enjoy it most people know that bad things happen but you seem to revel in it. Why don't you post these things under your original title the talk about dogs is a big giveaway.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1795 on: 19/07/2021 19:37:12 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 19/07/2021 19:25:41
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 19:07:38
You might have heard of an invention called

THE INTERNET
You need help you are look up things like that and then pushing this on a site like this I thought you may have had some bad experiences but it looks like you just enjoy it most people know that bad things happen but you seem to revel in it. Why don't you post these things under your original title the talk about dogs is a big giveaway.
Actually in my opinion the people who need help are the people ignoring that the Chinese cook dogs alive.

I will choose PETA over you any day

https://www.peta.org.au/action/help-animals-like-those-suffering-in-the-yulin-dog-eating-festival/
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1796 on: 19/07/2021 19:44:37 »
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 19:37:12
Actually in my opinion the people who need help are the people ignoring that the Chinese cook dogs alive.

I will choose PETA over you any day
I am a dog lover dog lover dog lover why do you attack me when I have never said a bad thing about dogs.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1797 on: 19/07/2021 19:56:39 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 19/07/2021 19:44:37
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 19:37:12
Actually in my opinion the people who need help are the people ignoring that the Chinese cook dogs alive.

I will choose PETA over you any day
I am a dog lover dog lover dog lover why do you attack me when I have never said a bad thing about dogs.
You claimed that I need help for caring about the fact that the Chinese cook dogs alive and that Muslims butcher young girls.  Frankly more people need to look at the things I choose to see. 
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1798 on: 19/07/2021 20:09:54 »
Who would be so stupid as to cook a dog, or any comparable animal with- not to put too fine a point on it, the sh1t still in it?

There's a very good reason for butchery.
The Chinese may be many things but stupid isn't one of them, so the "cooked alive" story seems unlikely.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1799 on: 19/07/2021 20:15:01 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/07/2021 20:09:54
Who would be so stupid as to cook a dog, or any comparable animal with- not to put too fine a point on it, the sh1t still in it?

There's a very good reason for butchery.
The Chinese may be many things but stupid isn't one of them, so the "cooked alive" story seems unlikely.
Actually the Chinese cook dogs alive because they claim that the suffering releases chemicals into the meat that make it taste better.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3905114/dog-cooked-alive-in-wok-china/
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