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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1820 on: 20/07/2021 01:56:47 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 20/07/2021 01:51:57
Quote from: Europa on 20/07/2021 01:10:13
LOL I get a kick out of people who respond and say that they are responding because they are not interested.  In actuality 99.999999999999999999 percent of the people on Earth are not interested, you are.

So I am humbled
I'm getting a little bit of reception back is your antenna straight. zzzzzzzzzzzzz I can only receive common sense on this frequency.
LOL does Australia still have antennas?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1821 on: 20/07/2021 02:18:25 »
Quote from: Europa on 20/07/2021 01:56:47
LOL does Australia still have antennas?
we did an archeology dig recently in Australia and found phone wire 20 feet down the boss said keep digging we dug all day and found nothing moor so the boss concluded that they must of had wireless technology in the past.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1822 on: 20/07/2021 08:39:51 »
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 22:08:32
America is currently full of communist as Americans voted for Bernie Sanders
So, we get to see what the real problem is.
Europa is delusional.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1823 on: 20/07/2021 10:15:16 »
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 14:14:55
No there is no Universal moral standard as if there were the Chinese would not be cooking dogs alive and Muslims would not be cutting off little girls body parts.
The fact that someone is doing immoral actions is not a proof that moral standards don't exist.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1824 on: 20/07/2021 10:50:54 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 19/07/2021 20:15:22
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 19:56:39
You claimed that I need help for caring about the fact that the Chinese cook dogs alive and that Muslims butcher young girls.  Frankly more people need to look at the things I choose to see. 
Man I can feel your pain it brings tears to my eyes but you must understand that the world that we live in is very unfair. We must be strong and be glad that we are not responsible for these things. All animals should be treated well and the ones that we chose to despatch should be done so fast and have a fair life up until then. And children are precious and the things that you have mentioned are wrong if I had my way I would treat the people that do these things with a rope I pain with you and please do not look at these things on the internet.

Why It Hurts to See Others Suffer: Pain and Empathy Linked in the Brain
https://neurosciencenews.com/pain-empathy-18945/
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Summary: Reducing sensitivity to physical pain resulted in a reduction of pain empathy toward others, a study found. The results suggest a possible neurobiological link between pain and empathy.
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The human brain processes the experience of empathy – the ability to understand another person’s pain – in a similar way to the experience of physical pain. This was the finding of a paper that specifically investigated the kind of empathy people feel when they see others in pain – but it could apply to other forms of empathy too. The results raise a number of intriguing questions, such as whether painkillers or brain damage could actually reduce our ability to feel empathy.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1825 on: 20/07/2021 11:07:32 »
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 22:08:32
Bernie Sanders who claims that Castro was a hero to Cuba
He is not the only one.
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Historian and journalist Richard Gott considered Castro to be "one of the most extraordinary political figures of the twentieth century", commenting that he had become a "world hero in the mould" of Giuseppe Garibaldi to people throughout the developing world for his anti-imperialist efforts.

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The European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said that Castro "was a hero for many."

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He was awarded a wide variety of awards and honors from foreign governments and was cited as an inspiration for foreign leaders like Ahmed Ben Bella[522] and Nelson Mandela,[530] who subsequently awarded him South Africa's highest civilian award for foreigners, the Order of Good Hope.[531] The biographer Volka Skierka stated that "he will go down in history as one of the few revolutionaries who remained true to his principles".[532]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1826 on: 20/07/2021 11:34:09 »
Don't know about dogs, but burning  people alive is only practised by those who consider they have a moral authority to do so. Generally religious but IIRC napalm was the weapon of choice in a politically-motivated sortie into Vietnam. Beware of priests and politicians - their morals are not our morals.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1827 on: 20/07/2021 12:34:01 »
When we say that someone is doing immoral actions, realized or not, we are thinking that they have wrong priority in their life. We think that they are sacrificing something more important just to get something less important. In their mind, the priority is reversed.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1828 on: 20/07/2021 14:31:52 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 19/07/2021 11:51:36
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on Yesterday at 20:31:10

    How come?

If we pull out the bottom man someone must fill the void. The top will collapse without the bottom. The poor feed the rich. Rich men eat and drink the same product as the poor.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1829 on: 20/07/2021 15:34:30 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 20/07/2021 11:07:32
Quote from: Europa on 19/07/2021 22:08:32
Bernie Sanders who claims that Castro was a hero to Cuba
He is not the only one.
I would agree with him. He did a lot to reduce foreign ownership of land and industry and to give land to the poor. Whether someone is seen as a terrorist or a freedom fighter depend on the moral standards and vested interests of those making the judgement.

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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1830 on: 20/07/2021 16:44:35 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 20/07/2021 14:31:52
Quote from: Just thinking on 19/07/2021 11:51:36
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on Yesterday at 20:31:10

    How come?

If we pull out the bottom man someone must fill the void. The top will collapse without the bottom. The poor feed the rich. Rich men eat and drink the same product as the poor.
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How do you define rich?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1831 on: 20/07/2021 16:53:11 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 19/07/2021 08:19:04
Quote from: Just thinking on 19/07/2021 08:16:33
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 19/07/2021 08:05:14
Here is an example where people are not always rational.
people will lie to stay on top but there is no need to lie to stay on the bottom. honesty comes from the riches of the heart.
People need to stay alive to stay on the bottom. Otherwise, they would be put out of the list.
Perhaps my statement above is prone to misinterpretation. The word otherwise there refers to people who don't stay alive.
Being poor should not be taken for granted.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1832 on: 20/07/2021 16:54:59 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 20/07/2021 16:44:35
How do you define rich?
I would say a person that has far more money than they will ever need to live a comfortable existence and provide for their family eg If I wone let's say 20 million dollars I think that 3 million would be by far enuff to go on my way If I did not give 17 million to charities I think I would live my life feeling rather guilty. But a good standard would not allow gambling to exist so this example is for now.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1833 on: 20/07/2021 16:59:18 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 20/07/2021 14:31:52
If we pull out the bottom man someone must fill the void.
Why do you assume that the void must be filled by someone? In the past, some jobs done by poorest people were done by animals. Then some of them were replaced by machines. In the near future, almost no job is safe from being replaced by smart machines.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1834 on: 20/07/2021 17:06:31 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 20/07/2021 16:59:18
Why do you assume that the void must be filled by someone? In the past, some jobs done by poorest people were done by animals. Then some of them were replaced by machines. In the near future, almost no job is safe from being replaced by smart machines.
This is a good reason to adopt a new moral standard I think the direction that the world is heading is a sign with warning bells. So what is the answer then we need good ideas to improve the future?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1835 on: 20/07/2021 18:03:09 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 20/07/2021 16:54:59
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 20/07/2021 16:44:35
How do you define rich?
I would say a person that has far more money than they will ever need to live a comfortable existence and provide for their family eg If I wone let's say 20 million dollars I think that 3 million would be by far enuff to go on my way If I did not give 17 million to charities I think I would live my life feeling rather guilty. But a good standard would not allow gambling to exist so this example is for now.
How do you get those numbers?
How do you define comfortable?
Do you take inflation into account? What about devaluation?
How long would that money last? What if you run out of money while you're still alive?
Which charities would you give your money to? why?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1836 on: 20/07/2021 18:05:52 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 20/07/2021 17:06:31
This is a good reason to adopt a new moral standard I think the direction that the world is heading is a sign with warning bells. So what is the answer then we need good ideas to improve the future?
What is the criteria to say that the future has been improved?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1837 on: 20/07/2021 18:16:20 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 20/07/2021 18:05:52
What is the criteria to say that the future has been improved?
Even and fair wealth for all no weapons governments or public stricter law to remove perpetrators for the good of the good.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1838 on: 20/07/2021 19:46:45 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 20/07/2021 18:16:20
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 20/07/2021 18:05:52
What is the criteria to say that the future has been improved?
Even and fair wealth for all no weapons governments or public stricter law to remove perpetrators for the good of the good.

In other words you want a communist utopia?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #1839 on: 20/07/2021 19:56:21 »
Quote from: Europa on 20/07/2021 19:46:45
In other words you want a communist utopia?
If that is what communists do.
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