[alancalverd]

In technological singularity, nothing is beyond repair.

For the umpteenth time, I quote my old navigation instructor:

"Always start from where you are. Then you won't get lost before you take off."

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Self-driving cars are already cruising the streets today. And while these cars will ultimately be safer and cleaner than their manual counterparts, they can’t completely avoid accidents altogether. How should the car be programmed if it encounters an unavoidable accident? Patrick Lin navigates the murky ethics of self-driving cars.

Even with self driving cars, accidents can and will still happen. And their outcome may be determined months or years in advance by programmers or policy makers.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

In technological singularity, nothing is beyond repair.

For the umpteenth time, I quote my old navigation instructor:

"Always start from where you are. Then you won't get lost before you take off."

So, where are we now? Where are we going to?

[alancalverd]

We are at a point where there is a practical limit to the amount of repair work we can do to a damaged animal. The ethical problem is a reluctance among lawmakers to accept that humans are animals. In consequence it is an offence to prolong the suffering of any other species, or to shorten the suffering of a human.

[Just thinking]

We are at a point where there is a practical limit to the amount of repair work we can do to a damaged animal. The ethical problem is a reluctance among lawmakers to accept that humans are animals. In consequence it is an offence to prolong the suffering of any other species, or to shorten the suffering of a human.

A female victim said to her attacker you are an animal he said yes the worst kind a human being.

[alancalverd]

Hmm. I wouldn't want to be attacked by a 200 lb flea.

[Just thinking]

Hmm. I wouldn't want to be attacked by a 200 lb flea.

I would be more shocked by a 1/10 of a gram dog.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

We are at a point where there is a practical limit to the amount of repair work we can do to a damaged animal. The ethical problem is a reluctance among lawmakers to accept that humans are animals. In consequence it is an offence to prolong the suffering of any other species, or to shorten the suffering of a human.

One of that practical limit is cost. Are we willing to pay for the cost of brain surgery to save the life of a stranger?

[Just thinking]

    We are at a point where there is a practical limit to the amount of repair work we can do to a damaged animal. The ethical problem is a reluctance among lawmakers to accept that humans are animals. In consequence it is an offence to prolong the suffering of any other species, or to shorten the suffering of a human.

One of that practical limit is cost. Are we willing to pay for the cost of brain surgery to safe the life of a stranger?

Life for wild animals has never been kind at some point in time almost all wild animals will suffer a prolonged and painful death as they are consumed by their surroundings. On the other hand people and loved pets do receive the best treatment by those that care for them and the choice of ending untreatable suffering in people is becoming more and more excepted and is regularly offered to people as an option as we can ask a person but we can not ask an animal. If we ask a dog do you want your dinner he will very quickly let you know the answer but ask a dog does it want to die and well we no the answer.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

If we ask a dog do you want your dinner he will very quickly let you know the answer but ask a dog does it want to die and well we no the answer.

What makes it different than chicken or cow?

[Just thinking]

What makes it different than chicken or cow?

No difference it's all about the necessity and humane treatment and kill.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

What makes it different than chicken or cow?

No difference it's all about the necessity and humane treatment and kill.

When I worked in remote area, I know some indigenous people that ate feral dogs because they were abundant there. They were caught using baits containing sedative substances.

[Just thinking]

When I worked in remote area, I know some indigenous people that ate feral dogs because they were abundant there. They were caught using baits containing sedative substances.

Nothing wrong with that one of the greatest rights that all craters have is the right to eat. I wouldn't want to eat a cat or a fox I believe that they taste bad that is why some countries use strong flavors like curry to hide the pore meat quality.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Self-driving cars are already cruising the streets today. And while these cars will ultimately be safer and cleaner than their manual counterparts, they can’t completely avoid accidents altogether. How should the car be programmed if it encounters an unavoidable accident? Patrick Lin navigates the murky ethics of self-driving cars.

Even with self driving cars, accidents can and will still happen. And their outcome may be determined months or years in advance by programmers or policy makers.

Solving complex dynamic calculations in real time can be difficult, and sometimes even give wrong answers. That's why contemplating about them in advance may help improving the result. We can make a list of some probable and conceivable situations, set the rule and standard for making decisions to make priority list. Refusing to make it would effectively let the decisions to be made by random chance. The video above at 2:00 timestamp shows an example.

Is it morally acceptable to leave someone's fate to random chance? especially when a better alternative is available?

[Just thinking]

Even with self driving cars, accidents can and will still happen. And their outcome may be determined months or years in advance by programmers or policy makers.

Thanks for the video it is very interesting. I have often thought about the randomness of life. Let's say I invited you to stay at my home for a while and you accepted my invite I look after you well and make you feel at home we take a trip down to my town and I buy you a meal you decide to enter a shop that sells lottery tickets and you by one that is drawn that night we see the results on my TV that night and you win two million dollars do you share half with me after all you would have won nothing if it was not for my kind friendship with you?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Even with self driving cars, accidents can and will still happen. And their outcome may be determined months or years in advance by programmers or policy makers.

Thanks for the video it is very interesting. I have often thought about the randomness of life. Let's say I invited you to stay at my home for a while and you accepted my invite I look after you well and make you feel at home we take a trip down to my town and I buy you a meal you decide to enter a shop that sells lottery tickets and you by one that is drawn that night we see the results on my TV that night and you win two million dollars do you share half with me after all you would have won nothing if it was not for my kind friendship with you?

How did you come up with that number?  Obviously you are not the only one who contributed to the winning. There's the shop keeper without whom I couldn't by the ticket. Also my parents who didn't forbid me from buying lottery tickets.

[Just thinking]

How did you come up with that number?  Obviously you are not the only one who contributed to the winning. There's the shop keeper without whom I couldn't by the ticket. Also my parents who didn't forbid me from buying lottery tickets.

Because we can both share in the same way and for the same reasons if it was not for my parents you would not be with me and as for the shopkeeper he is in business to sell and can be considered not emotionally attached to our good fortune. 

[alancalverd]

If we went through life thanking everyone who contributed to our being here, now, the world would turn into an unending Oscar ceremony. Convention limits gratitude mostly to first-order one-way (i.e. non-commercial) transactions.

It's interesting to consider the moral obligations of variants on a simple theme

A asks B for a dollar for a bus ride home. A gets home and gives B $1 when they next meet.
A asks B for a dollar to bet on a horse. Horse wins at 100:1 so A gives B $1.
A asks B for $1000 to start a business. Business succeeds so A gives B $1000
A asks B for $1000 to cover a temporary business debt. Debt  repaid, profits come in, A gives B $1000
B gives A $1 to buy a lottery ticket. A wins $1M and refunds $1
B offers A $1000 to invest in a business. 10 years later A sells up for $1M and gives B $1000

[Just thinking]

If we went through life thanking everyone who contributed to our being here, now, the world would turn into an unending Oscar ceremony.

I have no intentions of saying thanks I just want my one million dollars.

[alancalverd]

But it's not yours. The essence of a lottery is that the prize belongs to whoever holds the winning ticket. There was nothing to prevent you from buying it. If you don't speculate, you won't accumulate.