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The fact that modern humans have better chance to extend consciousness both in time and space domain, compared to medieval and prehistoric era indicates that on average people have positive impacts to the society.
I have a more specific conditions than merely "others". I make a rational choice based on how I think future conscious entities will judge me. The time frame is set for as far away future as can be reliably conceived.
Peering through the bullshit about consciousness, I think you are implying that any and all knowledge makes all people behave better towards one another.
the worldwide availability of online religious knowledge has led to death and destruction on a hitherto unprecedented scale.
Beware! No so long ago, species other than humans were considered not to have feelings or to suffer real pain, and within living memory it was widely believed that anyone with a black skin was put on earth to serve anyone with a white skin.
Any prediction of the likely judgement of future beings, becomes decidedly unreliable beyond about 5 years.
When the human race moves towards its self-imposed extinction, the dominant conscious entities will probably be cockroaches, with a very different attitude to human life (all live humans are enemies, all dead humans are food) and even their own cannibalism.
Genetic engineering will allow humans to be like whatever they want to be.
Age related diseases would be cured.
As for "now we know better", what's your opinion of the benefit to humanity of the mass surveillance of the Chinese population by facial recognition? Do you think that the destruction of democracy in Hong Kong and the repression of criticism in mainland China is a Good Thing? And just because Western attitudes have changed in one direction, who is to say that they won't reverse direction? How has the growth of technology and cultural awareness benefitted Muslims in India in the last couple of years? How has the acquisition of nuclear weapons by North Korea, and of reliable nerve agents by Russia, benefitted anyone and improved the reliability of moral judgement?
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 23/07/2022 16:53:56Age related diseases would be cured.And we'd all live for ever. Can you imagine growing up in a world where 99.99% of the population will always be older than you? What happens to ambition, or even delivery, if there's no time limit on anything you do? Are you going to introduce death squads to maintain a viable population distribution, or just let the elderly (i.e. everyone else) eat everything?
The word terminal in the term universal terminal goal emphasizes time dimension over space and the others. It's better to have a finite number of conscious entities for infinite time rather than infinite number of conscious entities for a finite amount of time.
It's time to ask any politicians about their terminal goal and what are their plans to achieve it.
you make pregnancy subject to a very strict licensed lottery
In a democracy: to be re-elected. In a dictatorship: not to be murdered.
Quote from: alancalverd on 24/07/2022 12:32:26you make pregnancy subject to a very strict licensed lotteryWhat if it's licensed to those who are willing and can afford to raise the children until they become independent/productive, or can find someone else to help them?
Imagine if they said those things out loud in front of mass media.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 25/07/2022 12:50:50Imagine if they said those things out loud in front of mass media. Which is why it is up to us to say it.
Exactly what I was preaching in this forum years ago. My plan was (still is) to abolish all child benefits, maternity pay etc., and pay every woman £500 or so every 6 months if she isn't pregnant. You get one "free shot" that you can exercise at any time. This should reduce the birthrate towards half the replacement rate and thus reduce the population to around one fifth of its current level within 100 years. That figure is indefinitely sustainable in the UK at the current or better standard of living, using native natural resources only.