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Is there a universal moral standard?

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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3380 on: 13/10/2023 17:02:58 »
1. War is conflict organised with lethal intent. One of its characteristics is that the active participants do not stand to gain anything from their participation. At best, they will get to go home to a diminished asset.

2. Religion is inherently a Bad Thing: it demeans the human intellect and promotes sexual perverts and fraudsters to positions of unwarranted authority. Science doesn't.

Politics replaces logical government with a pointless and wasteful team sport. Representation by mandated delegates is better.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3381 on: 14/10/2023 06:03:06 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 13/10/2023 17:02:58
1. War is conflict organised with lethal intent. One of its characteristics is that the active participants do not stand to gain anything from their participation. At best, they will get to go home to a diminished asset.
Have you heard about Mongolian conquest? Or Russian conquest?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3382 on: 14/10/2023 06:05:16 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 13/10/2023 17:02:58
2. Religion is inherently a Bad Thing: it demeans the human intellect and promotes sexual perverts and fraudsters to positions of unwarranted authority. Science doesn't.
If it's inherently bad, what made it survive and thrive so far?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3383 on: 14/10/2023 06:06:10 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 13/10/2023 17:02:58
Politics replaces logical government with a pointless and wasteful team sport. Representation by mandated delegates is better.
Isn't a logical government a form of politics?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3384 on: 14/10/2023 08:00:12 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 14/10/2023 06:05:16
If it's inherently bad, what made it survive and thrive so far?
Crime pays. That's why people do it.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3385 on: 14/10/2023 08:10:19 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 14/10/2023 06:06:10
Isn't a logical government a form of politics?
Only in the minds of those who profit from party politics.

Here's the difference:

We are running a business with limited resources. I want to do A and you want to do B, but we can't do both.

So logically we discuss the merits of both actions and make a mutual decision, or compromise with C.   

Politically, Party X says vote for us and we will  deliver A, K, and R. Party Y says vote for us and we will deliver B, J and Q.

But I would prefer A and Q, I find R morally repugnant, and K/J only affects lefthanded Scots, so who do I vote for? 
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3386 on: 14/10/2023 08:15:45 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 14/10/2023 06:03:06
Have you heard about Mongolian conquest? Or Russian conquest?
The means by which the surviving warriors might just get to farm (but not own) a different bit of land and pay more tax to the emperor, whilst being hated by the natives.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3387 on: 14/10/2023 15:42:29 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 14/10/2023 08:00:12
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 14/10/2023 06:05:16
If it's inherently bad, what made it survive and thrive so far?
Crime pays. That's why people do it.
Until the system is good enough to prevent them.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3388 on: 14/10/2023 15:49:51 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 14/10/2023 08:10:19
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 14/10/2023 06:06:10
Isn't a logical government a form of politics?
Only in the minds of those who profit from party politics.

Here's the difference:

We are running a business with limited resources. I want to do A and you want to do B, but we can't do both.

So logically we discuss the merits of both actions and make a mutual decision, or compromise with C.   

Politically, Party X says vote for us and we will  deliver A, K, and R. Party Y says vote for us and we will deliver B, J and Q.

But I would prefer A and Q, I find R morally repugnant, and K/J only affects lefthanded Scots, so who do I vote for? 
Representative democracies were created due to the bottleneck in communications among citizens to vote for every public policies. Technology has been advanced enough to break that technical barrier. Only self interests among active politicians is standing in the way, because it would drive them closer to unemployment.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3389 on: 14/10/2023 17:43:20 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 14/10/2023 08:15:45
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 14/10/2023 06:03:06
Have you heard about Mongolian conquest? Or Russian conquest?
The means by which the surviving warriors might just get to farm (but not own) a different bit of land and pay more tax to the emperor, whilst being hated by the natives.
They might also got slaves, gold and silver.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3390 on: 15/10/2023 11:30:22 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 14/10/2023 15:49:51
Representative democracies were created due to the bottleneck in communications among citizens to vote for every public policies.
I've written several times about the pyramidal organisation of trade unions and indeed of some political parties themselves. This guarantees fluid continuity and consensus instead of vote-catching short-termism and unelected presidencies.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3391 on: 16/10/2023 04:59:11 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 15/10/2023 11:30:22
short-termism
The purpose of rules and standards are to overcome overcommitting to short terms goal while sacrificing longer term goals.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3392 on: 17/10/2023 15:08:51 »
Rules and standards do not apply to governments: they make and adjust the rules and standards as required to get re-elected. Like committing to spend unlimited amounts of your money on an unnecessary railway, then cancelling the useful bit and apologising for not being able to bring the remaining part (the vanity project) all the way into London.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3393 on: 19/10/2023 15:56:43 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 17/10/2023 15:08:51
Rules and standards do not apply to governments: they make and adjust the rules and standards as required to get re-elected. Like committing to spend unlimited amounts of your money on an unnecessary railway, then cancelling the useful bit and apologising for not being able to bring the remaining part (the vanity project) all the way into London.
They do apply. Although the penalty for violations may take longer than individuals. Some of the consequences may occur in the next generation.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3394 on: 19/10/2023 22:21:55 »
How Much Is a Human Worth? (according to engineers)

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A large part of engineering involves a tug-of-war between cost and safety.

Comparing costs and safety is an enormous challenge. On one side, you have dollars, and on the other, you have people. Sometimes you need a conversion factor. It sounds morbid, but it?s necessary for good decision-making to put a dollar price on the value of a human life.

Axis projection and quantification are necessary to make analysis.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3395 on: 21/10/2023 08:59:56 »
Insanely Evil Japanese Company Implodes Overnight
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What hahppens when an egotistical trust fund baby becomes Vice President of his dad's $1B company? Watch and find out. BIG MOTOR!

In hindsight, immoral actions can be seen as the result of ignorance. It causes them to pursue shorter term goals while jeopardizing longer term goals.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3396 on: 21/10/2023 09:22:09 »
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Disinformation leads to ignorance, which in turn can lead to immoral actions.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3397 on: 22/10/2023 22:59:51 »
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How Much Is a Human Worth?
You get two very different figures if you ask anyone
(a) how much should the taxpayer pay to prevent your death? or
(b) how much is your life insured for?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3398 on: 24/10/2023 12:18:15 »
Corporations, government, and other organizations treat their employees as human resources. They worth as much as the benefits they can give to the organization, subtracted by the costs to keep them in the organization. The actual numbers might not be exactly known, and they depend on some estimates and assumptions. A method to determine it meaningfully is by looking at the difference between having a particular individual in the organization against not having them.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3399 on: 25/10/2023 04:33:43 »
The lifetime economic worth of an individual in the West is around $150,000.
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