[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Legally, none, apart from genuine refugees.

What justifies the exception?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

There is a temporary migrant agricultural worker visa scheme but since the migrants generally take their UK wages back to a country with a much lower coast of living, they aren't really "poor" for half of the year.

Why only half of the year?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Illegally, anyone who has given all his money to a crook with a rubber boat, and manages to get halfway across the English Channel, gets hotel accommodation and free healthcare  without being allowed to work.

Why is it illegal?
What makes them crook?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Anyone without a visa who is paid to cross the channel in a properly equipped and competently manned rubber boat  is  called an invader, and shot.

Who shot them, and why?

[alancalverd]

What justifies the exception?

See the answer I gave as reply #3521. Plus we don't want to import poor criminals, only rich ones.

[alancalverd]

Why only half of the year?

The UK harvest is quite short but well paid. Romania is a lot warmer and cheaper the rest of the year.

[alancalverd]

Why is it illegal?

Because a legal immigrant is someone with a visa, who has paid EUR50 to get here by ferry, train or plane.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

What justifies the exception?

See the answer I gave as reply #3521. Plus we don't want to import poor criminals, only rich ones.

Are you OK with rich criminals?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Why is it illegal?

Because a legal immigrant is someone with a visa, who has paid EUR50 to get here by ferry, train or plane.

So, arbitrary rules, aren't they?

[alancalverd]

Are you OK with rich criminals?

HM Government not only welcomes them, but gives them peerages.

[alancalverd]

So, arbitrary rules, aren't they?

Far from arbitrary. You can't get a visa until the country issuing it is satisfied as to who you are, where you have come from, why you want to enter, and how long you intend to stay. 

I was detained for most of an hour at the Canada/US border whilst my wife just walked through passport control. She came back to the gate and asked what was wrong. Helpful official said "You have a visitor visa, so we can expel you if you misbehave. He has a diplomatic visa, so we can't expel him, so we need to establish that he really is who he says he is before we let him in."

[alancalverd]

Anyone without a visa who is paid to cross the channel in a properly equipped and competently manned rubber boat  is  called an invader, and shot.

Who shot them, and why?

Abraham Lincoln's definition of a country: an area surrounded by a border that is defended with lethal force.
If you set the territorial boundary at 5 miles off shore, the first lethal force will be the navy, with the army defending the beach. Airborne invasion is rare. Individual stowaways are dealt with by airport police, unscheduled overflights by the air force.
In the event of Scottish independence, Hadrian's Wall can be repaired and manned again. 

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Are you OK with rich criminals?

HM Government not only welcomes them, but gives them peerages.

What's your personal opinion?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Simulating the Evolution of Teamwork

0:00 - Introduction
0:19 - Simulation rules
3:23 - First simulations
5:21 - Game theory analysis
8:45 - Alternate reward matrices
15:58 - Requirements for an evolutionarily stable strategy
16:69 - Discussion questions

Many of common moral rules can be seen as extension of team work, which can emerge naturally through evolutionary process, as shown in the video.

[alancalverd]

What's your personal opinion?

I don't welcome criminals. Only a fool or a corrupt politician would.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Morality puts a boundary between in group and out group. The universal morality puts the largest boundary logically possible, which is between conscious entities and non-conscious entities. Since consciousness is a continuous parameter, that boundary is necessarily gradual.

Until recently, only human individuals can be asked to openly discuss about morality. It could be the cause of our unwillingness to extend the boundaries of our moralities beyond humanity.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

What's your personal opinion?

I don't welcome criminals. Only a fool or a corrupt politician would.

Some people became criminals simply by leaving their religion. Or expressing blasphemy. Or criticizing government.

[alancalverd]

Not criminals in my eyes, but (depending on the government they criticised) intellectuals. Possibly genuine refugees too. No problem, at least in principle.

In practice you need to be a bit more careful. Despite Tony B Liar's protestations that the invasion of Iraq wasn't about regime change (though his Foreign Secretary said it was - they can't both have been lying, surely?)  the result was a radical change of scum so that his chosen enemies became refugees fleeing for their lives, and therefore theoretically required by UN convention to be welcomed in the UK!

On the other side of the coin, Afghans who worked with British forces have mostly been abandoned to their fate.

So the moral is, don't end up on the losing side of any war,  and if you do, don't expect anyone to help you.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

So the moral is, don't end up on the losing side of any war,  and if you do, don't expect anyone to help you.

You are getting closer to the universal morality. Be on the side of conscious entities who will (still) exist in the future.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

BOMBSHELL: Israel Intelligence Chief Says The Quiet Part Out Loud!

A comment refers to this quote.
?It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.?
― Henry Kissinger