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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3540 on: 22/12/2023 08:07:10 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/12/2023 06:04:49
You are getting closer to the universal morality. Be on the side of conscious entities who will (still) exist in the future.

So you think that morality is picking a winner? "Might is right", and women should not be educated, allowed to drive, vote,  walk in front of their husbands, or appear in  public without a headscarf.

Since I disagree, we have disproved the existence of a universal moral standard.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3541 on: 22/12/2023 09:23:55 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 22/12/2023 08:07:10
So you think that morality is picking a winner?
If a society get extinct, their local and particular morality also get lost. While their more universal morality will be preserved, as long as there are other extant societies.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3542 on: 22/12/2023 09:28:54 »
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Simulating the Evolution of Teamwork
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0:00 - Introduction
0:19 - Simulation rules
3:23 - First simulations
5:21 - Game theory analysis
8:45 - Alternate reward matrices
15:58 - Requirements for an evolutionarily stable strategy
16:69 - Discussion questions
Many of common moral rules can be seen as extension of team work, which can emerge naturally through evolutionary process, as shown in the video.
It shows that with grater cost of fighting, being cooperative becomes a more stable strategy. Modern weaponry increases the cost of fighting, even to bring significant risk of extinction.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3543 on: 22/12/2023 09:32:02 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 22/12/2023 08:07:10
Since I disagree, we have disproved the existence of a universal moral standard.
Your failure to find a universal moral standard is caused by your inability to find the universal terminal goal, which in turn is caused by your inability to define goal in the first place.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3544 on: 22/12/2023 09:42:00 »
A sensible moral position.
The U.S. must not provide another $10 billion to Netanyahu?s right-wing extremist government?
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The situation in Gaza is a humanitarian disaster. The U.S. must not provide another $10 billion to the right-wing extremist Netanyahu government to continue their war against the Palestinian people which has already killed thousands of innocent men, women, and children.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3545 on: 22/12/2023 14:32:11 »
The war is not against "the Palestinian people", many of whom do not even live in Gaza. It is against the cowardly terrorists  who have chosen to hide among Gazan civilians.

Since WWI, warfare has involved an increasing proportion of civilian casualties. Preparations for WWIII actually assume that only the military and a few politicians will survive. The answer is, if you don't want to be a collateral statistic, don't vote for scum or tolerate them in your midst.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3546 on: 23/12/2023 22:26:57 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 23/08/2023 14:24:45
When the goal is already well understood, the problem of good and evil can be translated into problem of wisdom and ignorant.
Most immorality are caused by ignorance of how the universe work.
What The Prisoner's Dilemma Reveals About Life, The Universe, and Everything
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3547 on: 24/12/2023 11:04:22 »
Ignorance to the facts might lead people to do immoral actions.
One in five young Americans think the Holocaust is a myth
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3548 on: 24/12/2023 11:07:24 »
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People might not realize when they are doing something immoral, or think that it's not a big deal.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3549 on: 24/12/2023 11:35:58 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 24/12/2023 11:07:24
People might not realize when they are doing something immoral, or think that it's not a big deal.
Crime pays, which is why people do it. Really big crime pays best, and you don't get punished for it, which is why people become priests and politicians.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3550 on: 01/01/2024 11:53:04 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 24/12/2023 11:35:58
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 24/12/2023 11:07:24
People might not realize when they are doing something immoral, or think that it's not a big deal.
Crime pays, which is why people do it. Really big crime pays best, and you don't get punished for it, which is why people become priests and politicians.
Usually high reward comes with high risk, and you will compete with other risk takers with low winners/losers ratio.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3551 on: 01/01/2024 12:00:27 »
There is negligible risk in religion or politics. You can destroy a country's economy in a month and retire with a prime ministerial pension, then promote your friends to the House of Lords. Or declare war and destroy other people's lives in order to boost the value of your shares and get re-elected. But woe betide you if you try to decriminalise euthanasia or do anything honorable like defending your country against an aggressor who can bankrupt you. 

Scum rules.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3552 on: 01/01/2024 12:10:14 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 01/01/2024 12:00:27
There is negligible risk in religion or politics. You can destroy a country's economy in a month and retire with a prime ministerial pension, then promote your friends to the House of Lords. Or declare war and destroy other people's lives in order to boost the value of your shares and get re-elected. But woe betide you if you try to decriminalise euthanasia or do anything honorable like defending your country against an aggressor who can bankrupt you. 

Scum rules.
It depends on how you play the game.
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?If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.?
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
If you think that they can easily do something that you think was hard, it's likely that they know something that you don't.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3553 on: 01/01/2024 13:36:19 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 01/01/2024 12:00:27
But woe betide you if you try to decriminalise euthanasia or do anything honorable like defending your country against an aggressor who can bankrupt you. 
- or point out that the idea of god is absurd and your colleagues and co-conspirators have been selling a lie.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3554 on: 01/01/2024 21:50:53 »
178 pages and still no universal moral standard.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3555 on: 02/01/2024 08:55:55 »
Quote from: Origin on 01/01/2024 21:50:53
178 pages and still no universal moral standard.
You can find my answer from the first page, and click on the link to the best answer.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 16/07/2021 10:05:34
A universal moral standard must be based on the achievement of universal terminal goal.
If you think that you can provide a better answer, please let me know.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3556 on: 02/01/2024 11:32:32 »
Some said that money is the root of all evil. Like all generalizations, there are exceptions.

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Did you know that Craigslist is one of the most popular websites in the entire world? In fact, they pull in 250 million monthly active users every single month despite having a website that looks like it hasn?t been changed in 20 years. But, all of that is by design. You see, Craiglist isn?t trying to maximize revenue and profits like every other company. Rather, they?re happy to stick with modest revenue and profits and serve the community as much as possible. This has always been the motto and mission of not just Craig Newmark but the entire Craigslist team which is only 50 people. This is largely because Craig was never even trying to create some sort of massive online marketplace. In fact, he was largely just trying to connect with people and create a social life for himself by discussing local events, hence the name ?Craig?s List?. This video tells the humbling story of Craig Newmark and Craigslist and shows one of the few examples in which money didn?t corrupt the individual.

Timestamps:
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2:15 - Humble Beginnings
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"Death is my exit strategy." has become one of my favorite quotes.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3557 on: 02/01/2024 12:03:23 »
Is there any limit on what people are allowed to do in private?

The Ethics of Grand Theft Auto
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Grand Theft Auto VI is perhaps the most anticipated video game of all time. But should we be playing it?

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0:00 Intro
1:33 Video games and real-world violence
5:39 The trivialisation of violence
9:28 The uniqueness of sexual violence
14:17 Virtual discrimination
18:49 The one group GTA would never include
24:09 Conclusion
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3558 on: 02/01/2024 16:31:19 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 02/01/2024 11:32:32
"Death is my exit strategy." has become one of my favorite quotes.
It's certainly my intention to kill myself when the time is right. The true measure of civilisation is that everyone can choose how and when he dies. Regrettably, not all of us live in a civilised world.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3559 on: 03/01/2024 11:52:05 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 02/01/2024 16:31:19
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 02/01/2024 11:32:32
"Death is my exit strategy." has become one of my favorite quotes.
It's certainly my intention to kill myself when the time is right. The true measure of civilisation is that everyone can choose how and when he dies. Regrettably, not all of us live in a civilised world.
The exit strategy in the interview is in business context, which refers to a plan for an owner or investor to sell their stake in a company. This could involve an acquisition by another company, an initial public offering (IPO), a management buyout, or simply selling shares to other investors.
Most business models have limited lifetime,  beyond which investors won't get reasonable return on investment.
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