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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3780 on: 08/04/2024 19:28:04 »
What evidence do you have of the popularity of Lukashenko?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3781 on: 14/04/2024 08:17:59 »
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3782 on: 14/04/2024 16:56:14 »
Communist dictators and the heads of theocracies do not need to be popular as long as they pay the army, secret police, or whoever they use to suppress dissent. And since the said enforcers also collect the taxes,  there is no theoretical limit to their reign.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3783 on: 19/04/2024 11:34:05 »
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Communist dictators and the heads of theocracies do not need to be popular as long as they pay the army, secret police, or whoever they use to suppress dissent. And since the said enforcers also collect the taxes,  there is no theoretical limit to their reign.
At least they are popular among the army and secret police.
There is a technical/biological limit though.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3784 on: 30/04/2024 14:52:35 »
"What Am I Missing?" Sam Harris vs Alex O'Connor on Objective Morality

When the main terms of the discussion subject are not properly defined, we will feel like talking past each other.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3785 on: 02/05/2024 02:34:33 »
IMO there are two interpretations of the word "objective" which cause much of disagreements in discussions about objective morality.
The hard interpretation says that objective means independent from any observer. A statement can be objectively true or false even when no one is observing or verifying it. For example, the existence of the sun is objectively true even if there's no conscious entity to observe it.
On the other hand, the soft interpretation says that objective means independent from whoever makes the observation/evaluation. It implicitly assumes that there's always conscious entities to make the observation.

By definition, morality exists to distinguish between good and bad things. This distinction requires a goal as the evaluation criteria, or something to compare against. In turn, it requires a conscious entity to pursue the goal.
Those who said that there's objective morality must have used the soft interpretation, because otherwise, they are making an oxymoronic statement. On the other hand, hard interpretation leads to the conclusion that there's no objective morality.

To avoid confusion, I used the phrase universal moral standard instead of objective morality (which needs to implicitly use soft interpretation of the word "objective"). The word universal was intended to avoid contradictory requirements with the word morality, like when we use hard interpretation of the word objective.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3786 on: 04/05/2024 09:37:56 »
Chomsky: "Education is not memorizing that Hitler killed 6m Jews.

Education is understanding how millions of ordinary Germans were convinced that it was required.

Education is learning how to spot the signs of history repeating itself."

Societies who care about their future and the future of their successors have better chance to survive and thrive, compared to those who don't. Some societies are more effective and efficient in their efforts to have a better future. Some kinds of sacrifice might be necessary to achieve their goals. Making unnecessary sacrifices can be seen as symptoms of evil actions.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3787 on: 04/05/2024 19:11:47 »
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Education is understanding how millions of ordinary Germans were convinced that it was required.
Worth reading "Everyday Hate" by Dave Rich. To sum up the entire book: thanks to religion and politics, antisemitism is the norm in most societies, ready for use when convenient.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3788 on: 08/05/2024 04:22:16 »
Inside the Brain of a Psychopath
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In this video, Justin from the Institute of Human Anatomy discusses the physical differences in the nervous systems of those that suffer from Antisocial Personality Disorder.

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00:48 - 01:59 Cluster B Personality Disorders
02:00 - 03:07 Psychopath vs Sociopath
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Without a common terminal goal, we can't say that those psychopaths are the ones suffering disorders, and not the other way around. Some traits can be said to be disorders or disabilities if they cause the individuals with those traits have less positive impacts or have more negative impacts to the society they are living in.

Empathy can be seen as a calculation shortcut which works well in most social situation while using less time and energy, compared to fully rational considerations. Lacking of empathy don't always necessarily produce bad decisions, especially when it's compensated by a correct terminal goal and adequate information processing capacity.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3789 on: 08/05/2024 04:41:07 »
The Psychology of Psychopaths - Predators who Walk Among Us
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I dealt with psychopaths for decades in the prison/jail system, they are an interesting group. Their psychopathy runs along a continuum from street hustles to someone void of empathic feelings. Some were nice  men/women, other were obnoxious, demanding, entitled and aggressive.
I agree that psychopathy is not a binary trait. Treating it as such is a false dichotomy.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3790 on: 15/05/2024 17:32:47 »
The Psychology of Moral Disengagement
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Moral disengagement is a process of cognitive restructuring that allows individuals to disassociate from their internal moral standards and behave unethically without feeling distressed. It is the story we tell ourselves to not feel bad about inhumane actions that normally would go against our moral principles, or the excuses we find to avoid feeling guilty about hurting others.
In principle, moral evaluation can be done based on how accurate someone's assessment of cause and effect relationship with their actions.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3791 on: 15/05/2024 17:35:32 »
Why Good People Comply with Evil - Daniel Schmachtenberger
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In this episode Daniel answers the question, "Why should people care about global existential issues?". He cites 2 experiments, the "Milgram experiment" (1961) and the "Asch conformity experiments" to serve as examples of how good people can be complicit with evil acts.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3792 on: 16/05/2024 08:20:01 »
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3793 on: 19/05/2024 10:43:59 »




Situations like these might happen when people are ignorant about the universal moral standard.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3794 on: 19/05/2024 23:04:14 »
You are presuming that we are all in the same boat, and care about the fate of others. No evidence.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3795 on: 20/05/2024 03:32:47 »
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You are presuming that we are all in the same boat, and care about the fate of others. No evidence.
The boat is a metaphor for something of concern that we commonly share and depend on. It could be a house, a building, a neighborhood, a village, a tribe, a city, an island, a company, a country, a race, a species, a planet, a solar system, etc. Even if we are being selfish, we should care about that shared concerns. Inability to do so shows our lack of consciousness, as if we are still a little child. In that case, we shouldn't be trusted with power to make decisions that can impact others.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3796 on: 20/05/2024 12:10:44 »
Morally Uncooperative Worlds
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What if there are moral facts, but we can't enact them?

0:00 - Consequentialism
2:31 - Virtue ethics
4:21 - Kantianism
6:44 - Skeptical theism
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Decision making process, either in morality, economics, or process safety needs to consider uncertainty about the future. The risk of a particular hazard can be quantified as a product of probability times severity of that hazard in a specified time period. On positive side, the opportunity can also be quantified as a product of probability times benefits.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3797 on: 20/05/2024 14:06:20 »
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Student at Oxford and Cambridge explains why they're protesting and the demands that the students have for the universities regarding the Palestinian Protest.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #3798 on: 20/05/2024 17:31:17 »
As they are not protesting about starvation in Darfur, the treatment of Uighurs in China, the invasion of Ukraine, the curtailment of human rights in Iran or Hong Kong, the treatment of Kurds in Turkey, or of Muslims in Myanmar, the supply of weapons to Saudi Arabia or the persistent refusal of the British Government to prosecute the criminals who ran the post office, supplied defective blood products to the NHS, or currently run the water companies, to we can safely assume that this is just another example of well-funded slimy antisemitism taking advantage of good weather and unthinking students.

If you look at a map, Israel is about the size of Yorkshire. If you look at a newspaper, you'd think it's bigger than Russia. No need to wonder why: antisemitism is always popular with voters, and nobody likes a Jew who fights back.
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« Reply #3799 on: 21/05/2024 09:37:29 »
They are expressing concern of where their money goes to.
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