[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Maimonides said a lie is permissible to save a life, to comfort the dying, or to prevent a greater evil. Politicians and economists do not lie for those purposes, and the only reason it is necessary for a religious pervert to lie to a dying person is because he has previously told his victim that post-death is either a good or bad experience (a lie either way).

Lying is usually classified as evil. But it can be justified to prevent greater evil.
I don't think we can generalize people's morality by their professions.

[alancalverd]

I don't think we can generalize people's morality by their professions.

Of course you can. Priests sell untruths to the gullible for their own benefit. That is immoral by any standards.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

I don't think we can generalize people's morality by their professions.

Of course you can. Priests sell untruths to the gullible for their own benefit. That is immoral by any standards.

Except religious and cultural standards.
Why did you include politicians and economists?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

The West Bank: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

John Oliver discusses how the West Bank settlements came to be, what their presence means for everyone in the region, and why the weight of the world rests squarely on the shoulders of Ben & Jerry?s.

[alancalverd]

Except religious and cultural standards.

Beware! Murder is not immoral by the standards of a psychopath. You shouldn't judge the behavior of an organisation by its own standards: the answer will always be "OK". Better to ask the customer/victim.

Why did you include politicians and economists?

Because they utter untruths for their own benefit.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Demandingness in Ethics

A common objection to utilitarianism is that it is too demanding: it requires us to sacrifice too much. This video outlines the demandingness objection and considers some responses.


0:00 - Utilitarianism
5:31 - Demandingness
8:56 - What's wrong with demandingness?
16:01 - Utilitarianism is not demanding
22:22 - Wrong vs blameworthy
26:58 - The demands of ordinary morality
34:00 - Which costs count?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Except religious and cultural standards.

Beware! Murder is not immoral by the standards of a psychopath. You shouldn't judge the behavior of an organisation by its own standards: the answer will always be "OK". Better to ask the customer/victim.

OK. Now you start to realize the importance of more inclusive moral standards. The universal moral standard is the most inclusive of them all that's logically possible.

Why did you include politicians and economists?

Because they utter untruths for their own benefit.

Can't you find any exceptions? What do you think about Abraham Lincoln, or Nelson Mandela?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

"It Will Collapse Society!" - Why The Modern World Makes No Sense | Sam Harris vs Konstantin Kisin

In this clip of *Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu**, we're diving deep into a compelling discourse that many are hesitant to touch, featuring two intellectually heavyweight guests: **Sam Harris* and **Konstantin Kisin**. This conversation scrutinizes the multifaceted dynamics that threaten the very core of Western civilization as we know it.

*Sam Harris* opens with a powerful critique of how democracy, capitalism, and political freedom, while historically successful engines of wealth and creativity, are now under siege from ideological and religious movements exploiting our values of tolerance and self-criticism. He passionately argues against the insidious influence of stealth Islamist groups and the unsettling silence of the educated elite.

*Konstantin Kisin* expands on this by emphasizing the uniqueness of individual rights in the West. He contrasts it with the autocratic controls in Russia and China, shedding light on how incentive structures in free societies foster technological and cultural progress. They discuss the abandonment of core Western values, the rise of extreme DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) ideologies, and the potentially dire consequences of unchecked immigration policies.

Together, they unpack the cultural and political psychosis gripping the West, revealing a dangerous path that could lead to societal collapse if not corrected. From the flaws in liberal democracy to the lure of authoritarian solutions amid escalating chaos, Harris and Kisin present a candid, thought-provoking narrative that challenges listeners to rethink the future of our society.

[alancalverd]

ideological and religious movements

i.e. scum who tell lies, and sad people who believe them. "religious movements" don't just happen - they have evil founders and willing followers.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

incentive structures in free societies

The moral standards are supposed to determine which behavior is good, hence should be incentivized, and which behavior is bad, hence should be disincentivized,

[alancalverd]

What is the effective difference between incentivisation and coercion? The result is the same but coercion is more efficient!

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

What is the effective difference between incentivisation and coercion? The result is the same but coercion is more efficient!

Basically, coercion is a form of disincentivization. It usually costs less for the ruler or regulator to implement, at least in short run. But if it violates the principle of fairness, the cost to the overall society will outweigh the benefits.

[alancalverd]

Coercion may be necessary for the survival and benefit of society  when common sense fails. Think quarantine, speed limits, seat belts, income tax.....

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Coercion may be necessary for the survival and benefit of society  when common sense fails. Think quarantine, speed limits, seat belts, income tax.....

I don't think those examples violated the principle of fairness.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

How Millionaire Bankers Actually Work | Authorized Account | Insider

Gary Stevenson, the author of ?The Trading Game,? spent his early 20s trading trillions of dollars for Citibank in London and Tokyo.

He claimed to have won the job playing a card game and eventually became Citibank?s most profitable trader. While some of his colleagues lived a life fueled by partying and cocaine, Gary earned millions betting against the global economy. He talks to Business Insider about office culture in Canary Wharf, London, the bosses, and the bonuses. He covers the mindset of profitable bankers, their daily routine, and what leaving the job is like. 

Now, Gary is a published author and teaches economics through his YouTube channel Garyseconomics.

00:00 - Intro
00:24 - The Lifestyle
05:44 - Brokers
08:17 - The Bosses
12:50 - The Bonuses
16:44 - The Recruitment
22:58 - The Money Floor
25:59 - The Job
28:22 - Getting Out
34:49 - The Future
38:49 - End Credits

[alancalverd]

I don't think those examples violated the principle of fairness.

You should ask the people who complain about them.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

I don't think those examples violated the principle of fairness.

You should ask the people who complain about them.

Some little kids complained that they're not allowed to play with fireworks or chainsaw.
When people have different moral judgements, each side will argue that they are the right one. Without a commonly agreed moral standard, they can't say that the other side is wrong.
A regional moral standard cannot be used to judge that someone from another region is doing something immoral. Only the universal moral standard can convert moral judgments into scientific questions.

[alancalverd]

And since there is no agreement between the scum who rule various regions, there can be no universal standard.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

And since there is no agreement between the scum who rule various regions, there can be no universal standard.

There are some agreements, but there are some disagreements as well. If you only look for disagreements, you will inevitably fail to find the agreements, simply because those are not what you are looking for.

[alancalverd]

But it can't be "universal" unless it's either agreed by or imposed on everyone and everything.