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How do we measure the energy of a photon?

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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #520 on: 17/02/2020 02:35:27 »
All Systems have State.

States are either intrinsic, i.e. determined only by factors local to the system or extrinsic, i..e. determined only by factors external to the System (think Relativity). Or a mix. Outer Systems (e.g. a Solar System) will tend to have mainly extrinsic state and Inner Systems (e.g a Sun System) will tend to have mainly intrinsic state.

States may have occur in a hierarchy (as per a HFSM).

States change when the system process an event that is deemed to affect the current state. This can be at any level. If at a high level the the state change will likely propagate to lower levels.

The map of a state changing over time is a wave. In a computer system, state changes are achieved by events linked to processes. A rhythmically occurring process or set of processes may be described via a mathematical Wave Function but, in general, most waves are too complex to be mathematically described. 

It is interesting to note that the System proposed in this topic will result in two waves (inner System and outer System) when and if the system states can be measured over time. This may give rise to an EM wave.

In my software, State is represent in an App by fundamental data types (such as integer, string etc.). Anything more complex is represented by a System. The same may be true of reality, i.e. only elementary particles (such a Quarks) and aggregates of same may contain State and more complex states are represented by Systems.

for example:

Race
    inherits InnerSystem

    property Status as integer

Status is the current state of Race (Open = 1, Closed = 2 etc.) and will never be anything more that a fundamental data type.

It is interesting to note that we "know" what State is but have to resort to mathematics/language to describe/manipulate it. i.e. our brains needs to simulate Reality to deal with it.


 
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #522 on: 21/02/2020 04:56:05 »
A 3D App is a type of System that can be executed.

It comes with 3 built-in subsystems:

Data

  contains an abstraction hierarchy of Systems . The hierarchy is part Hierarchical Finite State Machine (HFSM) and part Hierarchical Database. It is basically a neural network with database capabilities. It is loaded into memory as required.

    It is 2D in nature

Display

  contains the "visible" part of a System. It is a feedback interface. Space consists of System Displays. THe expansion of space is therefore caused by more Apps appearing in the universe (like us!). 

    It is 3D in nature. i.e. Space

Datastore

    contains the permanent memories of a System, organised by time of happening and Key (All systems have a unique Key).

    It is 4D in nature (i.e. SpaceTime)

And App also contains subApps (or maybe subSystems ... not sure of this).  In a simulation using Apps, the Universe is a single App. It contains subApps that are galactic Cluster Apps. 
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #524 on: 24/02/2020 10:09:10 »
https://www.slashgear.com/otago-researchers-hold-individual-atoms-in-place-in-a-new-experiment-2161053

Which makes 3d Systems that much more likely.

in Visual Basic,

  dim OxygenMolecule = new Oxygen.Molecule(Oxygen.Atom1, Oxygen.Atom2)

Here is a VERY condensed structure of an Oxygen (O2) molecule according to 3d.

Stars are Central 3d Systems (Star as in star of the show).

Proton
    Star
    System
        Up Quark-1
        Up Quark-2
        Down Quark

Neutron
    Star
    System
        Down Quark-1
        Down Quark-2
        Up Quark

Electron
    Star (an Electron Ion)
    System (no subsystems - Electron is considered to be elementary)

Oxygen (Atom)
    Star (nucleus)
        Shell-1
            Proton-1-1
            Neutron-1-1
            Proton-1-2
            Neutron-1-2
        Shell-2
            Proton-2-1
            Neutron-2-1
            Proton-2-2
            Neutron-2-2
            Proton-2-3
            Neutron-2-3
            Proton-2-4
            Neutron-2-4
            Proton-2-5
            Neutron-2-5
            Proton-2-6
            Neutron-2-6
    System
        Shell-1
            Electron-1-1
            Electron-1-2
        Shell-2
            Electron-2-1
            Electron-2-2
            Electron-2-3
            Electron-2-4
            Electron-2-5
            Electron-2-6

Oxygen (O2)
    Star
    System
        Shell-1
            Oxygen (Atom)-1
            Oxygen (Atom)-2


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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #526 on: 26/02/2020 06:36:11 »
Humans and other DNA-based entities are likely 3d Systems.

In our case, the central System is our skeletal System with subSystems respiratory, digestive, lymphatic etc. We have an executive brain System. The central System of our brain System is probably the seat of our awareness with the top of this system being our consciousness.

We evolved from the sea and are now part of the atmosphere system at a fairly concrete level of abstraction. Not surprisingly then, we feel a very strong love of and connection with water. We have evolved to the point where we can leave the earth provided we take an atmosphere System with us.

Being water/oxygen-based, climate change is likely to be more dangerous to us than most people believe.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
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« Reply #528 on: 29/02/2020 13:15:55 »
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In our case, the central System is our skeletal System
Actually, this is probably incorrect. The Solar Plexus system is a better choice for the central system given it is truly central.

So in a Human Being system we have top-level 3d systems Nervous, Respiratory, Circulatory, Integumentary (skin) etc.with a central Solar Plexus system. Each system is essentially a hierarchical finite state machine (HFSM) that provides services of a particular type. The systems are intertwined and cooperate in the formation of life. The Nervous System provides message services to the other systems. The Circulatory system delivers blood to other systems - and so on. A complex time-based spatially-oriented process sets systems next to one another so that services can be precisely delivered and so that systems can grow in a scaled manner.

Chances a DNA-based cell is a type of 3d System. It has a central system (the nucleus) and subsystems. If this is the case then the cells in a DNA-based entity will form a HFSM. Subsystems will be accessed "by reference".
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #530 on: 03/03/2020 08:21:06 »
https://www.fastcompany.com/90470552/surprising-study-reveals-what-makes-a-good-coder-and-its-not-math

Good software development requires language skills not mathematics as is usually supposed. Software is mostly  about concepts and only partially about maths (Einstein would probably have made a good software developer).  This is possibly the main reason physics has been slow to embrace Software Development as a means of defining physics theories.

I am proficient in 25 Software languages as well as French, Latin and English. I also have HD results in University Maths.

I am also an innovator, an adventurer, a simplifier and have a good sense of humor. My top 10 Realise2 strengths are:

1. Gratitude
2. Innovation
3. Growth
4. Explainer
5. Creativity
6. Improver
7. Adventure
8. Humor
9. Persuasion
10. Relationship Deepener

I also have a psychology/coaching degree which gives me great analytical skills.

Maybe a top-class physicist of the future also needs to be a top-class software developer and a psychologist :) . Mathematics - great for single-object and state change descriptions; software - great for multi-object and time interactions.
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I am also an innovator, an adventurer, a simplifier and have a good sense of humor. My top 10 Realise2 strengths are:

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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #533 on: 07/03/2020 11:21:36 »
https://scienceblog.com/514613/solving-a-mystery-in-126-dimensions/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogrssfeed+%28ScienceBlog.com%29

Here is a Benzene molecule (C6h6) built with 3d Abstractions technology. It supplies the basic structure for simulating a Benzene molecule. For clarity, 3d Shells have been omitted.

Carbon.Atom (C)
    inherits Atom (a 3d Outer System)

    Carbon.Ion
         inherits Ion (a 3d Central System)
   
        Star (current state of Carbon.Ion)
      
        Subsystems
            Proton 1 (a Proton is effectively a Hydrogen Ion)
            Proton 2
            Proton 3
            Proton 4

    Subsystems
        Electron 1
        Electron 2
        Electron 3
        Electron 4

Methine.Molecule (CH)
    inherits Molecule (a 3d Outer System)

    Methine.Controller
        inherits Controller (a 3d Central System)
   
       Star (current state of Methine.Controller)
      
       Subsystems
           (as necessary)

    Subsystems
        Carbon.Atom
        Hydrogen.Atom

triMethine.Molecule
    inherits Molecule (a 3d Outer System)

    triMethine.Controller
        inherits Controller (a 3d Central System)
   
        Star (current state of triMethine.Controller)
      
        Subsystems
           (as necessary)

    Subsystems
        Methine.Molecule 1
        Methine.Molecule 2
        Methine.Molecule 3

        (electrons can be either all Up or all Down)

Benzene.Molecule
    inherits Molecule (a 3d Outer System)

    Benzene.Controller
         inherits Controller (a 3d Central System)
   
         Star (current state of Benzene.Controller)
      
        Subsystems
            (as necessary)

    Subsystems
        triMethine.Molecule (Up version)
        triMethine.Molecule (Down version)
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« Reply #534 on: 07/03/2020 11:33:59 »
Quote from: mxplxxx on 07/03/2020 11:21:36
https://scienceblog.com/514613/solving-a-mystery-in-126-dimensions/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogrssfeed+%28ScienceBlog.com%29

Here is a Benzene molecule (C6h6) built with 3d Abstractions technology.

Carbon.Atom (C)
    inherits Atom (a 3d Outer System)

    Carbon.Ion
         inherits Ion (a 3d Central System)
   
        Star (current state of Carbon.Ion)
      
        Subsystems
            Proton 1 (a Proton is effectively a Hydrogen Ion)
            Proton 2
            Proton 3
            Proton 4

    Subsystems
        Electron 1
        Electron 2
        Electron 3
        Electron 4

Methine.Molecule (CH)
    inherits Molecule (a 3d Outer System)

    Methine.Controller
        inherits Controller (a 3d Central System)
   
       Star (current state of Methine.Controller)
      
       Subsystems
           (as necessary)

    Subsystems
        Carbon.Atom
        Hydrogen.Atom

triMethine.Molecule
    inherits Molecule (a 3d Outer System)

    triMethine.Controller
        inherits Controller (a 3d Central System)
   
        Star (current state of triMethine.Controller)
      
        Subsystems
           (as necessary)

    Subsystems
        Methine.Molecule 1
        Methine.Molecule 2
        Methine.Molecule 3

        (electrons can be either all Up or all Down)

Benzene.Molecule
    inherits Molecule (a 3d Outer System)

    Benzene.Controller
         inherits Controller (a 3d Central System)
   
         Star (current state of Benzene.Controller)
      
        Subsystems
       (as necessary)

    Subsystems
        triMethine.Molecule  (Up version)
        triMethine.Molecule (down version)

What purpose does that serve?
Can it tell you the melting point of benzene, or what colour it is or...anything at all?
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« Reply #535 on: 09/03/2020 12:49:42 »
Gravity has long been problematic in physics and theories on it abound but none are completely satisfactory. Below is 3d Abstractions' take on gravity. I am hopeful it will explain the force once and for all.

Gravity in a 3d System is a force that acts from the boundary of System's parent to the boundary of the System itself. It is caused by the increase in density of the space displaced by a 3d System. This creates a push force that  acts in a direction that goes from the boundary of the System's parent to the mid point of the System. The force decreases proportionally to the distance from the System's boundary.

Compressing the space/energy of a system does not change the value of energy but it does change the time to discharge the energy. In other words it changes the Power of the system. As the System expands, so its power decreases and the power of its parent increases. In the same way, as a System contracts so it power increases and the power of its parent decreases.  Maybe P=e/t where e is an Energy constant equivalent to h in E=h/t? If this is the case, then it is also very likely that the energy of all Systems is the same. It also explains how the energy of a photon varies i.e. its is not energy that is varying but power. Makes a lot more sense than current particle theory that has an infinite number of different types of photon existing.

The gravity at a particular point in a 3d System is the sum of all gravitational forces at that point from all 3d subSystems.

The force acting on the 3d System boundary will compress the System inwards. Over time, the System will be compressed to the point where it becomes a black hole. Recreating the System after this time will involve releasing its pent-up spacial energy. This expansion creates gravity in its parent. Thus, creation is a a never-ending process of expansion and contraction of 3d Systems. Expansion creates gravity which creates contraction. Thanks to Systems, the universe is simultaneously expanding and contracting in a balanced state of energy.

The spacial energy of a 3d System is the energy contained in the space the System occupies. Thus the gravity of a system will be related to the spacial energy of the System and the density of the space. In fact, it is likely that time, space and energy are just manifestations of the same underlying object type (or Class in computer science). In computer science terms, they are polymorphic and therefore operate as "black boxes". More on this soon in a separate post.

This theory assumes that 3d Systems "own"  their own space. The System can be moving relative to other Systems, but everything inside it is unaware of this movement. This is the  essence of Relativity.

Support for these propositions may be found in the differing values of Hubble constants:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/4agbjn/we-actually-live-inside-a-huge-bubble-in-space-physicist-proposes
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #536 on: 12/03/2020 01:39:31 »
https://scienceblog.com/514693/in-the-filaments-of-slime-mold-astronomers-see-the-universe/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogrssfeed+%28ScienceBlog.com%29

The similarity between the slime mould and galaxies can be explained if both have the same underlying base 3d System, as I have explained previously in this post.
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The similarity between the slime mould and galaxies can be explained if both have the same underlying base 3d System, as I have explained previously in this post.
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Here is a Benzene molecule (C6h6) built with 3d Abstractions technology.

Carbon.Atom (C)
    inherits Atom (a 3d Outer System)

    Carbon.Ion
         inherits Ion (a 3d Central System)
   
        Star (current state of Carbon.Ion)
      
        Subsystems
            Proton 1 (a Proton is effectively a Hydrogen Ion)
            Proton 2
            Proton 3
            Proton 4

    Subsystems
        Electron 1
        Electron 2
        Electron 3
        Electron 4

Methine.Molecule (CH)
    inherits Molecule (a 3d Outer System)

    Methine.Controller
        inherits Controller (a 3d Central System)
   
       Star (current state of Methine.Controller)
      
       Subsystems
           (as necessary)

    Subsystems
        Carbon.Atom
        Hydrogen.Atom

triMethine.Molecule
    inherits Molecule (a 3d Outer System)

    triMethine.Controller
        inherits Controller (a 3d Central System)
   
        Star (current state of triMethine.Controller)
      
        Subsystems
           (as necessary)

    Subsystems
        Methine.Molecule 1
        Methine.Molecule 2
        Methine.Molecule 3

        (electrons can be either all Up or all Down)

Benzene.Molecule
    inherits Molecule (a 3d Outer System)

    Benzene.Controller
         inherits Controller (a 3d Central System)
   
         Star (current state of Benzene.Controller)
      
        Subsystems
       (as necessary)

    Subsystems
        triMethine.Molecule  (Up version)
        triMethine.Molecule (down version)

What purpose does that serve?
Can it tell you the melting point of benzene, or what colour it is or...anything at all?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #538 on: 30/03/2020 14:15:16 »
I have explained how the universe is comprised of Systems and Systems are arranged into types of neural networks. That is, the whole universe is intelligent - at all levels. One of these Systems will be the Earth System. We, and all life on Earth, will be subsystems (or satellite) of the Earth System. We will be intimately connected with the health of the Earth System.

It is totally obvious that Humans are bad news for the Earth and, seemingly, incapable of actually reversing our ways. Given the Earth is a 3d System, it has the intelligence to do something about this situation. A virus like COVID-19 virus will dramatically reduce the population, remove people in poor health (i.e unfit people) and give the whole world a chance to reassess its direction. COVID-19 is a mutated form of SARS that is able to infect humans in a way no other virus before has been capable of - see https://www.theage.com.au/national/the-perfect-virus-two-gene-tweaks-that-turned-covid-19-into-a-killer-20200327-p54elo.html

It is entirely possible that COVID-19 is EARTH's way of making itself healthier.

COVID-19, like most other entities in Reality, is a 3d System. It has an outer shell, a central system (a nucleus) and subsystems. It is no wonder then that, once it gets entry to a Cell (another type of _3d System), it is easily able to interact with the cell. 

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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #539 on: 30/03/2020 14:34:04 »
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Ihave explained how the universe is comprised of Systems
No.
You have explained how you imagine that the world is so composed.
That's no reason to believe that it actually is.


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A virus like COVID-19 virus will dramatically reduce the population,

It depends what you mean by "dramatically".
A few percent- mainly the elderly who are past reproductive age.
I doubt that there will be a single day where there are fewer people at the end of it than there were at the start.

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