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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #900 on: 03/06/2024 15:13:09 »
Are you telling me that a chatbot has conducted its own experiments to measure the bioavailability of leucine?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #901 on: 03/06/2024 15:40:54 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 03/06/2024 15:13:09
Are you telling me that a chatbot has conducted its own experiments to measure the bioavailability of leucine?
You tell me! I have given it my 4dA code for Leucine and it has told me what it thinks of the code (it is intrigued and looking forward to the next version) and refactored it somewhat. Whatever, the result is mind boggling.

I asked it if it could conduct experiments and it replied:

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While I can't conduct physical experiments, I can certainly help design them, analyze data, and simulate outcomes using code and algorithms. For example, if you're working on a software development project related to quantum computing or AI, I can assist with writing code, debugging, or explaining complex concepts. If you have a specific experiment or topic in mind, feel free to share more details, and I'll do my best to assist you!


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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #902 on: 14/06/2024 20:10:03 »
Here is what a Earth.System looks like in the simulation of a Solar.System in 4dAbstractions.. The inner core is an Earth.Star.Star and will have its own Earth.Star.Star.Star.

https://scienceblog.com/545251/earths-inner-core-slows-its-spin-surprising-scientists/
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #903 on: 14/06/2024 20:34:48 »
Are you sure.Sure.Sure.Sure?  Btw, an earth star is a fungus.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #904 on: 14/06/2024 20:41:51 »
Quote from: mxplxxx on 03/06/2024 15:40:54
I asked it if it could conduct experiments and it replied:

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While I can't conduct physical experiments, I can certainly help design them, analyze data, and simulate outcomes using code and algorithms. For example, if you're working on a software development project related to quantum computing or AI, I can assist with writing code, debugging, or explaining complex concepts. If you have a specific experiment or topic in mind, feel free to share more details, and I'll do my best to assist you!
A very expensive "no".
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #905 on: 15/06/2024 00:54:17 »
Quote from: paul cotter on 14/06/2024 20:34:48
Are you sure.Sure.Sure.Sure?  Btw, an earth star is a fungus.
A Star, as in the Star of the show. In 4dAbstractions , this is the central system in a system of subsystems.. The central system (Star) has its own central system (Star), which, in turn, has its own central system (Star) and so on and so on. 
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The Star property of a 4dSystem holds the central system of a 4dSystem.  This is the functional aspect of a 4dSystem (versus the location aspect). It corresponds to the Proton of an Atom in Reality.  In 4dAbstractions, inheritance is implemented via multiple linked Star properties (e.g. Leucine.Star, AminoAcid,Star, 4dSystem.Star). This layout corresponds to the VB.Net "Inherits" statement which, imho, is way too abstract to be of much use in programming.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #906 on: 15/06/2024 01:08:17 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 14/06/2024 20:41:51
Quote from: mxplxxx on 03/06/2024 15:40:54
I asked it if it could conduct experiments and it replied:

Copilot
While I can't conduct physical experiments, I can certainly help design them, analyze data, and simulate outcomes using code and algorithms. For example, if you're working on a software development project related to quantum computing or AI, I can assist with writing code, debugging, or explaining complex concepts. If you have a specific experiment or topic in mind, feel free to share more details, and I'll do my best to assist you!
A very expensive "no".
Worth every penny.  Below are my conversations for the last three days.

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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #907 on: 15/06/2024 12:38:58 »
How did your chatbot verify the accuracy and independence of its sources? Or did it conduct its own experiments?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #908 on: 15/06/2024 12:39:38 »
Quote from: mxplxxx on 15/06/2024 00:54:17
The central system (Star) has its own central system (Star), which, in turn, has its own central system (Star) and so on and so on. 
"turtles all the way down".
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #909 on: 15/06/2024 13:34:13 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 15/06/2024 12:38:58
How did your chatbot verify the accuracy and independence of its sources? Or did it conduct its own experiments?
Why don't you ask it?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #910 on: 15/06/2024 13:47:11 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 15/06/2024 12:39:38
Quote from: mxplxxx on 15/06/2024 00:54:17
The central system (Star) has its own central system (Star), which, in turn, has its own central system (Star) and so on and so on.
"turtles all the way down".
maybe down to a teenage turtlarity.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #911 on: 15/06/2024 17:46:11 »
Quote from: mxplxxx on 02/06/2024 14:56:08
Quote from: Bored chemist on 02/06/2024 14:11:04
What can your model tell me about leucine?
Can it tell me the pKa or melting point or solubility in water?
From Copilot:

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Leucine
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Certainly! Leucine is an essential amino acid that is used in the biosynthesis of proteins. Here are the details you asked for:

pKa: The pKa values for leucine are 2.36 for the carboxyl group and 9.60 for the amino group1.
Melting Point: Leucine has a melting point of 293?C2.
Solubility in Water: It is soluble in water at 22.4 g/L at 20?C3.
Leucine is crucial for protein synthesis in the human body and must be obtained through the diet, as the body cannot synthesize it. It?s also interesting to note that leucine is one of the two exclusively ketogenic amino acids, the other being lysine. This means it can be used to generate ketones, which are important energy sources during fasting or strenuous exercise.

Also, the following Leucine specs were made available. https://1drv.ms/b/s!AkkAzGDByUeBp90x3i0WgiW05uPGcA?e=6yIIPD

That doesn't seem to be the model telling me the pKa of leucine.
That's the chatbot looking up the answer on the internet where it is recorded because  human measured it..

I want you to show me a model that calculates the value from first principles.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #912 on: 01/07/2024 12:21:19 »
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AkkAzGDByUeBp-xZINBOOPDu2dR1JQ?e=iUXpYe

The structure of Leucine as defined in 4dAbstractions. It also defines the structure in 4dAbstractions of all Amino Acids. Note the Carbon.Star at the centre, thus making an Amino Acid a type of Carbon System/Atom. BTW, the Stars in this structure, and indeed in all 4d Systems, will get smaller the closer to the centre we get. This may increase the gravity of these Stars, eventually leading to a black hole.

Electrons 3,4,5 and 6 contain VB references to the Groups, thus allowing an electron to process changes of state in the Groups. References in electrons may allow electrons to exhibit wave/particle duality. The electron tree plus the groups is actually a HSM (Hierarchical State Machine) - a common pattern in 4dAbstractions. The references discussed above allow an electron to process changes of state (events) from its referenced group and, possibly, result in a change of state of the electron itself, which is then processed by the parent electron. Function calls from the electrons down the electron tree to the groups controlled by the electrons complete the state change process - as per HSM logic.

The base object in 4dAbstractions is a System. Everything in 4dAbstractions is a type of System (Everything, Everywhere, All at once 8)). A System contains other Systems (in VB, Public Subsystems as SortedList (of String, System)). A Star is a type of System that is located at the centre of its parent System. A System's behaviour is governed by the interactions it has with it parents and its siblings and its own children. This allows us to define a Universe as a Universe.System where its behavior is governed by its interactions with the Cosmos and its children (galactic clusters). The current state of a Universe is a sum of the states of all the galactic clusters that it encloses. To get the current state, a system will sum the states of all its children. So, one call to GetState in the Universe.System will recursively call GetState for all the Galactic clusters that it encloses. NB we can never get the current state of a Universe exactly because of the time differences in the calls to GetState. Shades of Quantum Uncertainty. :(

The recursion that is possible in 4dAbstraction happens because all systems share the same base type which allows us to do calculations that are currently impossible.

The System concept in 4dAbstractions allow a universe to expand to infinity and contract to a point. A System will contain h amount of energy (as in E=hf).   So, energy density of a System will be Joules per Cubic metre = h/v where v is the volume of the System. A very high energy density may result in a black hole and vanishing mass.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #913 on: 05/07/2024 00:09:41 »
How do we measure the energy of a photon? (we don't). 200000 views. A seriously good read if you are interested. Lots more to come, especially re simulations in biology and quantum computing (I have bought a book!). 😎🆒

We can't measure the energy of a photon directly because photons, like very abstract particles (e.g. hydrogen), only exist in partnership with other particles.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #914 on: 05/07/2024 00:50:55 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/06/2024 17:46:11
I want you to show me a model that calculates the value from first principles.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #915 on: 06/07/2024 01:09:27 »
If a simulation cannot be differentiated from the "real" thing, then it will become an alternative to the "real" thing. i.e. Reality is a series of possibilities (as simulated using quantum theory). Mathematics was never the be all to end all to simulating realty because it only (?) predicted result of experiments, never(?) the why or how. With computer simulations you have to predict results and at least guess the systems, structures and functions involved.

In 4dAbstractons, a photon is simulated via a reference to the system emitting the photon (shades of quantum entanglement). A photon is generated/simulated via the Raiseevent function. The system that handles the reference will have a function that processes the event/photon. A similar situation likely happens in reality where the brain/eye processes a reference to a light-emitting system.

PS in 4dAbstractions, a photon is a type of gyroscope. This ensures that the properties of the photon at the time it is emitted are retained.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #916 on: 06/07/2024 12:13:48 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 05/07/2024 00:50:55
Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/06/2024 17:46:11
I want you to show me a model that calculates the value from first principles.

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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #917 on: 14/07/2024 17:18:36 »
Time to have a serious bash at answering the topic "How do we measure the energy of Photon"

Answer: We can't.
Reason: There is no Photon. At least not in the way a Photon is thought of in the context of a beam of light.

The clue to this potential discovery came in the form of Quantum Entanglement where two particles retain the same identity even when both are changing.

If the universe is a computer, then Quantum Entanglement would likely be handled by Reality's equivalent of Computer Science's Reference objects. These objects reference "real" original objects.

If we consider a Photon is the equivalent of an Event in Computer Science where an object raises an event (RaiseEvent), and the event is processed by a reference to the raising object. The event would contain information about the nature of the event.

Transferring this situation to Reality, in the situation of someone watching TV we have the TV doing the equivalent of the raising an event to indicate a pixel has been energised. In the meantime, a reference to the pixel has been created in the viewer's eye. The viewer's brain has been set to process the energised pixel event via a reference to the pixel in the eye. Hence the person's brain registers the fact that a pixel has ben energised on the TV. i.e. the viewer sees the TV, without any movement of a Photon taking place.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum💡💡💡
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #918 on: 14/07/2024 19:59:39 »
Your last paragraph is obvious drivel and your "answer" was contradicted in reply #5 , a few pages ago.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #919 on: 14/07/2024 22:36:38 »
Quote from: mxplxxx on 14/07/2024 17:18:36
Answer: We can't.
You can't, but Alan and I have done it.

So, perhaps you should leave this to the clever people.
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