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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #940 on: 17/07/2024 10:10:40 »
Once again...
Quote from: Bored chemist on 16/07/2024 13:31:42
Quote from: mxplxxx on 15/07/2024 23:24:44
The fact that you can't measure a Photon directly seems to be a good indicator that there is something to my theory.
What can you measure "directly"?
For example, how do I measure an electric current "directly"?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #941 on: 17/07/2024 23:35:00 »
I have measured a photon directly. But it was so small, and over so quickly, that you wouldn't believe the result anyway.

With apologies to Fermat.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #942 on: 18/07/2024 01:44:18 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 17/07/2024 23:35:00
that you wouldn't believe the result
Try me 😊
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #943 on: 18/07/2024 11:08:13 »
OK. Very, very, very tiny, and almost instantaneous. Here and gone in less than the blink of an eye. But it left an impression on my retina.

Problem is that you have already decided not to believe me.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #944 on: 18/07/2024 13:21:09 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 18/07/2024 11:08:13
OK. Very, very, very tiny, and almost instantaneous. Here and gone in less than the blink of an eye. But it left an impression on my retina.

Problem is that you have already decided not to believe me.
LOL🃏

How about?

He asks: "You got anything strictly theoretical"?
A tachyon walks into a bar
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #945 on: 18/07/2024 14:13:49 »
"Usually, but we ran out of it tomorrow"
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #946 on: 18/07/2024 14:32:09 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 15/07/2024 17:33:50
The clever bit is that when I push the button on the remote control, everyone in the room is programmed to "see" the same game, but The Boss, in another room, thinks she is seeing CNN News . So psychic program selection  only works if everyone is facing the same box, and even when you have been programmed to receive it, closing your
So, in a photon-less universe, your brain will be programmed with a reference to the TV in the current room and a reference to the TV in next room. There will be programming to only react to the current TV if you are in the current room. Your brain will then react to a pixel that is activated. etc. etc. The only issue is how a reference is originally created. I am sure some time in the future, quantum physicists will come up with an answer. The point being that with quantum physics, everything, everywhere and all at once (great movie).is possible and movement is mainly that of state (in waves).
In fact, the programming of time-independent references is likely to be the biggest challenge for the quantum programmer/physicists of the future.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #947 on: 18/07/2024 23:51:07 »
Quote from: mxplxxx on 18/07/2024 14:32:09
Your brain will then react to a pixel that is activated.
How does it know that a pixel has been activated? How does it know which TV it is not-looking at? How did I program everyone else's brain when I wanted to not-watch the football (distinguish between  not-watch = photonless image transfer, as against "not watch", which means decide to do something entirely different in the same room) ?  If I suddenly switch from regular to high-definition TV, what process reprograms my brain to recognise a completely different arrangement of pixels carrying the same football game?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #948 on: 19/07/2024 01:06:47 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 18/07/2024 23:51:07
How does it know that a pixel has been activated?
Programmable via references/entanglement. If I can simulate a person watching TV (and I can) then so can my brain. My brain under these circumstances and with the magic of entanglement cannot distinguish between its simulation and the "real" (who knows what is the original object) universe.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #949 on: 19/07/2024 16:50:56 »
And again...
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/07/2024 10:10:40
Once again...
Quote from: Bored chemist on 16/07/2024 13:31:42
Quote from: mxplxxx on 15/07/2024 23:24:44
The fact that you can't measure a Photon directly seems to be a good indicator that there is something to my theory.
What can you measure "directly"?
For example, how do I measure an electric current "directly"?

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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #950 on: 19/07/2024 17:45:52 »
Quote from: mxplxxx on 19/07/2024 01:06:47
Programmable via references/entanglement. If I can simulate a person watching TV (and I can) then so can my brain. My brain under these circumstances and with the magic of entanglement cannot distinguish between its simulation and the "real" (who knows what is the original object) universe.

So if you switch on the TV and put a sheet of wood between the screen and your eyes, you can tell me what picture is being shown.

Now entanglement works over any distance, so please entangle your brain with my computer screen and describe my wallpaper image.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #951 on: 20/07/2024 08:22:18 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 19/07/2024 17:45:52
So if you switch on the TV and put a sheet of wood between the screen and your eyes, you can tell me what picture is being shown.
Unless your brain is programmed to do differently.

I have been researching Entanglement with the aid of the Copilot AI. Here are the results - makes for interesting reading:

https://1drv.ms/b/s!AkkAzGDByUeBp_URR-PCj1gPcT7CLg?e=ouAGle

Apparently Entanglement only occurs at quantum level and cannot exceed the speed of light.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #952 on: 20/07/2024 11:46:56 »
And again.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/07/2024 16:50:56
And again...
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/07/2024 10:10:40
Once again...
Quote from: Bored chemist on 16/07/2024 13:31:42
Quote from: mxplxxx on 15/07/2024 23:24:44
The fact that you can't measure a Photon directly seems to be a good indicator that there is something to my theory.
What can you measure "directly"?
For example, how do I measure an electric current "directly"?


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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #953 on: 20/07/2024 15:16:05 »
Quote from: mxplxxx on 20/07/2024 08:22:18
I have been researching Entanglement with the aid of the Copilot AI. Here are the results - makes for interesting reading:

I disagree. Secondhand and untraceable speculation is not "interesting".

Never mind the mindless chatbot. Have you done the experiment that will confirm or disprove the validity of your television model?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #954 on: 28/07/2024 17:48:25 »
With the simulation of Leucine in 4dAbstractions, I had two alternatives for the solution. Leucine.System which was a specific simulation of Leucine; or AminoAcid.System which was a generalised solution. AminoAcid.System can simulate ANY Amino Acid. Each solution has its pros and cons which will determine the circumstance where a particular solution will be chosen.

Is the situation found in Reality? Maybe💡'real" Reality would use a Leucine.System (specialised) solution, whilst "imaginary" Reality (e.g. a hypochondria) would use an AminoAcid.System (generalised) solution.

Actually, in Leucine.vb in 4dAbstractions, the Leucjine.System class Inherits the  AminoAcid.System class- a very common pattern for implementing Derived/Base (specific/general) class relationships in Visual Basic. Extending this atter to Reality, we possibly have "real" Amino Acids (Leucine, Glycine etc.) being derived from the AminoAcid.System class in the brain - wild but possible.🃏

Actually, the Base/AminoAcid.System class is mainly about constant data and the Derived/Leucine.System class is mainly about variable data.

The following is the VB code for the New function for AminoAcid.System. Note that the Carbon.System/Atom is included. Carbon in Reality seems to be the top-level system for Abstraction Hierarchies that deal with control.

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     ' create a new AminoAcid system

      Inherits _4dLibrary.System

      Friend Sub New(
               SideChain As SideChain.System,
               Optional AminoGroup As AminoGroup.System = Nothing,
               Optional Hydrogen As Hydrogen.System = Nothing,
               Optional CarboxylGRoup As CarboxylGroup.System = Nothing,
               Optional Electron1 As Electron.System = Nothing,
               Optional Electron2 As Electron.System = Nothing,
               Optional Electron3 As Electron.System = Nothing,
               Optional Electron4 As Electron.System = Nothing,
               Optional Electron5 As Electron.System = Nothing,
               Optional Electron6 As Electron.System = Nothing)

           ' create System base

           MyBase.New(
               Type:=eSystemTypes.AMINOACID,
               SubType:=eSystemSubTypes.DATA,
               Star:=New Star(
                   Abbrev:="X",
                   Name:="AminoAcid",
                   Carbon:=New Carbon.System(
                       Electron1:=If(Electron1, New Electron1.System()),
                       Electron2:=If(Electron2, New Electron2.System()),
                       Electron3:=If(Electron3, New Electron3.System()),
                       Electron4:=If(Electron4, New Electron4.System()),
                       Electron5:=If(Electron5, New Electron5.System()),
                       Electron6:=If(Electron6, New Electron6.System()))),
               SubSystems:=New SubSystems
                   )

           ' add groups o electrons

           With Me.Star0.star0
               .Eldectron3.Group = Me.AddSubSystem(SubSystem:=If(AminoGroup, New AminoGroup.System()))
               .Eldectron4.Group = Me.AddSubSystem(SubSystem:=If(Hydrogen, New Hydrogen.System()))
               .Eldectron5.Group = Me.AddSubSystem(SubSystem:=If(CarboxylGRoup, New CarboxylGroup.System()))
               .Eldectron6.Group = Me.AddSubSystem(SubSystem:=If(SideChain, New SideChain.System()))
           End With

       End Sub
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #955 on: 29/07/2024 14:18:19 »
And again.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/07/2024 11:46:56
And again.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/07/2024 16:50:56
And again...
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/07/2024 10:10:40
Once again...
Quote from: Bored chemist on 16/07/2024 13:31:42
Quote from: mxplxxx on 15/07/2024 23:24:44
The fact that you can't measure a Photon directly seems to be a good indicator that there is something to my theory.
What can you measure "directly"?
For example, how do I measure an electric current "directly"?




Are you unable to tell us what you think you are talking about?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #956 on: 10/08/2024 20:58:36 »
Here is the basic creation of a Leucine System in the 4dAbstractions Protein project. Common Amino Acid functions (not shown) are present in the AminoAcid namespace. The code creates an Abstraction Hierarchy with a Carbon System at the top and the Amino Acid Groups at the bottom. Events raised by the Groups as a result of state changes are processed by the Electrons of the Carbon.System (also an Abstraction Hierarchy), whilst the Carbon. System Electrons control the Groups via function calls.

The code will be common to all Amino Acids except for SideChain.System code which will be unique to each Amino Acid.

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Namespace Leucine

    '  cContains classes relating to a Leucibe Amino Acid

    Public Class System

        Inherits _4dLibrary.System

        Public Sub New()

            MyBase.New()

        End Sub

        Public Sub New(Type As eSystemTypes)

            MyBase.New(Type:=eSystemTypes.LEUCINE, SubType:=eSystemSubTypes.DATA, Star:=New Star(), SubSystems:=New SubSystems())

            Me.AddSubSystem(SubSystem:=New AminoGroup.System())
            Me.AddSubSystem(SubSystem:=New Hydrogen.System())
            Me.AddSubSystem(SubSystem:=New CarboxylGroup.System())
            Me.AddSubSystem(SubSystem:=New SideChain.System())

            Star.Star0 = New Carbon.System(AminoGroup:=AminoGroup, Hydrogen:=Hydrogen, CarboxylGroup:=CarboxylGroup, SideChain:=SideChain)

        End Sub

        Public ReadOnly Star As Star = Me.Star0

        Public ReadOnly SubSystems As SubSystems = Me.SubSystems0

        Public ReadOnly AminoGroup As AminoGroup.System = Me.SubSystems(System.getSystemName(eSystemTypes.AMINOGROUP))
        Public ReadOnly Hydrogen As Hydrogen.System = Me.SubSystems(System.getSystemName(eSystemTypes.HYDROGEN))
        Public ReadOnly CarboxylGroup As CarboxylGroup.System = Me.SubSystems(System.getSystemName(eSystemTypes.CARBOXYLGROUP))
        Public ReadOnly SideChain As SideChain.System = Me.SubSystems(System.getSystemName(eSystemTypes.SIDECHAIN))

    End Class

End Namespace
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #957 on: 11/08/2024 17:21:39 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 19/07/2024 17:45:52
Now entanglement works over any distance, so please entangle your brain with my computer screen and describe my wallpaper image.
I'm still waiting for an answer.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #958 on: 11/08/2024 23:02:18 »
From Copilot AI; "Yes, ?alancalverd? and ?Bored chemist? are the same person on the Naked Science Forum."
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #959 on: 11/08/2024 23:37:28 »
Quote from: mxplxxx on 11/08/2024 23:02:18
From Copilot AI; "Yes, ?alancalverd? and ?Bored chemist? are the same person on the Naked Science Forum."
Probably the best available evidence that Copilot talks nonsense.
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