[mad aetherist (OP)]

But does this match the frequency shift for the laser caused by the changing relative speed of light in the aether? Since frequency is velocity divided by wavelength, a laser beam traveling into an aether headwind at 500,000 m/s would have a frequency of (299,792,458 - 500,000)/0.00001 = 299,292,458/0.00001 = 29,929,245,800,000 hertz. Without the wind, the frequency would simply be 299,792,458/0.00001 = 29,979,245,800,000 hertz.  Divide these two frequencies and you find that the laser beam in the headwind has 99.833217% the frequency of a stationary laser.

This number does not match the frequency shift caused by length contract and therefore could not be masked by it.

Ok say a laserbeam in vacuum & zero wind passes me with  100,000c hertz & the headwind is upped to c/600 & the beam now passes me with  100,000(c-c/600) hertz.  I dont think that thats the way it works.
A photon in vacuum will tell u that it has the same speed & frequency & wavelength at all times & places (ignoring the effect of the nearness of mass here).   The photon reckons that there is never any aetherwind, in its own little world the wind is always zero kmps. 

This also applies while the aether is accelerating as it flows towards mass (where it is annihilated).  Here if the photon is also propagating towards that mass the front of the photon is always propagating faster than the rear, the photon is stretching (giving redshift), but the photon is not aware of any of that. 
However the front of the photon is slowed due to the nearness of that mass (in general accord with GR), but that slowing is trumped by the fasting due to the acceleration of the aether.
This also applies while the photon is propagating away from that mass, having past it, the front of the photon is always propagating faster than the rear, the photon is stretching (giving a second dose of redshift), but the photon is not aware of that.  And here the rear of the photon is slowed due to the nearness of that mass, & here that GR slowing adds to the stretching (so in effect the GR effect of the nearness of mass can be ignored alltogether in total in relation to the stretching & redshift).
In the meantime whilst photons are quietly stretching & redshifting as they navigate the cosmos huge masses of writhing Einsteinologists  are annually frothing & ejaculating over their adored gods with their shiny new Nobel medallions & are chanting their mantra re their expanding universe dogma & bigbang canon & end up speaking in tongues & sounding like Bored Chemist.  But i digress.

But getting back to that laserbeam, if there is no wind i think that what i see is a stationary beam, ie the waves are still.  And if an aether headwind i think that what i see is again a stationary beam, & in both cases i see the crests in the same places, ie the wavelength never changes (wind or not).   

But in any case my original main point was that by having the laser parallel to the etalon u then have similar or identical changes happening in both the laser & etalon during rotation, hencely how can the etalon be interrogating the aetherwind.

[Kryptid]

It seems that you were correct and that the travel times are equal for photons in a vacuum but not in air.

Nevertheless, LIGO doesn't require a difference of travel times to detect the aether. The frequency shift caused by a change in the speed of light in one of the arms is enough to cancel out the perfect destructive interference and produce a signal. In regards to your claim that LIGO would filter out noise caused by the aether wind, this statement from the official LIGO website shows why that isn't the case: https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/page/faq

LIGO uses several techniques to sift through the constant vibrational noise we encounter in order to confirm a gravitational wave detection. Some of these are:

-Measuring all known noise sources (e.g., earthquakes, winds, ocean waves, traffic, farming activities, even molecular vibrations in LIGO's mirrors) with seismometers, magnetometers, microphones, and gamma ray detectors, and then filtering out the vibrations caused by these sources from our data.

This shows that they have to subtract noise from their detectors by running it against noise measurements from a variety of other sensors. Since they obviously don't have any aether noise detectors, any signal caused by the aether would not be filtered out.

But in any case my original main point was that by having the laser parallel to the etalon u then have similar or identical changes happening in both the laser & etalon during rotation, hencely how can the etalon be interrogating the aetherwind.

Because there are also beams propagating at right angles to that particular beam (for both LIGO and the vacuum experiment I posted). Since length contraction and aether wind affects those beams differently, a measurable difference in frequency should result.

A photon in vacuum will tell u that it has the same speed & frequency & wavelength at all times & places

Maybe from the point of view of the photon. Since you posit that the photon can appear to move at different velocities depending on what the viewer's velocity is, then the measured frequency of that photon can change too. Waves of the same wavelength moving by me faster are going to appear as a higher frequency (more waves passing per unit time).

[mad aetherist (OP)]

But it does remind me of something i forgot to mention yesterday.  A favourite Einsteinian ploy is to average away any embarrassing numbers.  I notice that VRXs report daily averages, a good trick if u want a big fat zero.

Explain how such averaging would get rid of any positive results in this particular experiment. If the device is constantly rotating (making a complete revolution several hundred times per day in this particular experiment), then it's true that it should measure a different aether wind speed during different times of the day. The speed of the device through space at some points would be the Earth's rotational speed plus the Earth's orbital speed, but it would be the Earth's rotational speed minus the Earth's orbital speed at other points. Since the rotational and orbital speeds of the Earth are not the same value, averaging these numbers out would not give you a zero over a day's worth of measuring.

Yes Demjanov measured that the horizontal component of the aetherwind at Obninsk varied tween 140 kmps & 480 kmps during 24 hours.  Therefor a full rotation of a VRX should feel a change of at least 140 kmps at mid latitudes, & if the full vector of the wind is 500 kmps then at some latitudes (near the Equator is the best place) that full 500 kmps will be (can be)(should be) detected in the horizontal at some times of day.  Whilst nearer the Poles (within say 25 deg) it is possible for the horizontal wind to be zero at some times of day (at some times of the year).

One must be aware that clever averaging can help to get rid of unwanted signal.  Hell, Munera even points out where Michelson & Morley accidentally & wrongly averaged away over 1 kmps of wind from their 1887 MMX fringeshifts, & they claimed 6 kmps instead of the actual 8 kmps (they were looking for 30 kmps)(so they called their 6 kmps null).

An even more brazen trick is to attribute an unwanted signal to some other cause, & then subtract it.  This works especially well if looking for a zero signal. I saw one instance of this in a modern VRX (cant remember which)(but i would soon find it again).

then in any case my description of the stickyness of photons to photons still applies.

What is this photon "stickiness"? Is it something else you made up?

Yes i dont remember reading about it. Photaenos (em radiation), little tornadic swirls of aether, emanate from the central helical body of a photon, & these dictate a photon's speed (ie c kmps).  Photaenos interact with each other, they interfere etc, here i mean mainly with photaenos emitted by other photons, they fight for the same space, for the same use of the available aether.  In addition to this that same kind of interaction can result in waves of photons forming formations, a kind of stickyness.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

It seems that you were correct and that the travel times are equal for photons in a vacuum but not in air.
Nevertheless, LIGO doesn't require a difference of travel times to detect the aether. The frequency shift caused by a change in the speed of light in one of the arms is enough to cancel out the perfect destructive interference and produce a signal. In regards to your claim that LIGO would filter out noise caused by the aether wind, this statement from the official LIGO website shows why that isn't the case: https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/page/faq

LIGO uses several techniques to sift through the constant vibrational noise we encounter in order to confirm a gravitational wave detection. Some of these are:
-Measuring all known noise sources (e.g., earthquakes, winds, ocean waves, traffic, farming activities, even molecular vibrations in LIGO's mirrors) with seismometers, magnetometers, microphones, and gamma ray detectors, and then filtering out the vibrations caused by these sources from our data.

This shows that they have to subtract noise from their detectors by running it against noise measurements from a variety of other sensors. Since they obviously don't have any aether noise detectors, any signal caused by the aether would not be filtered out.

I wouldnt call a 0.00002315 hertz signal a signal needing filtering.  When they are looking for 50 hertz to 500 hertz. And i havent seen any evidence of LIGO possibly getting any such aetherwind signal, bearing in mind that an ordinary vacuum MMX gives zero fringeshift to i think the 16th decimal --- but LIGO might be able to detect such a small 3rd order signal, if LIGO were re-designed to be a proper MMX, even if having vacuum instead of air.  But even so as i said an aetherwind signal would manifest as a 12 hr signal, ie only 0.00002315 hertz.

But in any case my original main point was that by having the laser parallel to the etalon u then have similar or identical changes happening in both the laser & etalon during rotation, hencely how can the etalon be interrogating the aetherwind.

Because there are also beams propagating at right angles to that particular beam (for both LIGO and the vacuum experiment I posted). Since length contraction and aether wind affects those beams differently, a measurable difference in frequency should result.

I saw one such VRX that used a 2nd laser parallel to that right angled etalon. In any case it would take a carefull analysis of what happens to the laser beam after reflecting off thems systems of mirrors.

A photon in vacuum will tell u that it has the same speed & frequency & wavelength at all times & places

Maybe from the point of view of the photon. Since you posit that the photon can appear to move at different velocities depending on what the viewer's velocity is, then the measured frequency of that photon can change too. Waves of the same wavelength moving by me faster are going to appear as a higher frequency (more waves passing per unit time).

Not exactly.  What we have is an observer sitting in the lab & a laser sitting in the lab (albeit rotating).  We dont have an observer whizzing past the lab.

[Kryptid]

One must be aware that clever averaging can help to get rid of unwanted signal.

An even more brazen trick is to attribute an unwanted signal to some other cause, & then subtract it. 

And you have evidence that such things happened with the vacuum experiment I posted?

Yes i dont remember reading about it. Photaenos (em radiation), little tornadic swirls of aether, emanate from the central helical body of a photon, & these dictate a photon's speed (ie c kmps).  Photaenos interact with each other, they interfere etc, here i mean mainly with photaenos emitted by other photons, they fight for the same space, for the same use of the available aether.  In addition to this that same kind of interaction can result in waves of photons forming formations, a kind of stickyness.

What experimental evidence exists for this effect?

I wouldnt call a 0.00002315 hertz signal a signal needing filtering.

But even so as i said an aetherwind signal would manifest as a 12 hr signal, ie only 0.00002315 hertz.

That's not how it works. If you sat in a room that raised its temperature 1 degree per hour, you wouldn't be able to feel how fast the temperature is rising. Stay in there long enough, however, and you'd definitely notice that you were overheating. It's the same thing with LIGO. It might take 6 or 12 hours to get a full strength signal, but it still does eventually get to that full strength signal.

In any case it would take a carefull analysis of what happens to the laser beam after reflecting off thems systems of mirrors.

Right. Measuring frequency differences between the beams to high precision would count.

Not exactly.  What we have is an observer sitting in the lab & a laser sitting in the lab (albeit rotating).  We dont have an observer whizzing past the lab.

Both the observer and the lab are presumably whizzing past the aether.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

One must be aware that clever averaging can help to get rid of unwanted signal. An even more brazen trick is to attribute an unwanted signal to some other cause, & then subtract it.

And you have evidence that such things happened with the vacuum experiment I posted?

I will have a look.

Yes i dont remember reading about it. Photaenos (em radiation), little tornadic swirls of aether, emanate from the central helical body of a photon, & these dictate a photon's speed (ie c kmps).  Photaenos interact with each other, they interfere etc, here i mean mainly with photaenos emitted by other photons, they fight for the same space, for the same use of the available aether.  In addition to this that same kind of interaction can result in waves of photons forming formations, a kind of stickyness.

What experimental evidence exists for this effect?

Slowing of light in air water glass & near mass. Refraction, diffraction, bending of light near mass. Reflexion of light. The Catt TEM. EM radiation.  The 5c speed of em in the near field. Stickyness of photons, forming waves & wave fronts & wave trains.

I wouldnt call a 0.00002315 hertz signal a signal needing filtering. But even so as i said an aetherwind signal would manifest as a 12 hr signal, ie only 0.00002315 hertz.

That's not how it works. If you sat in a room that raised its temperature 1 degree per hour, you wouldn't be able to feel how fast the temperature is rising. Stay in there long enough, however, and you'd definitely notice that you were overheating. It's the same thing with LIGO. It might take 6 or 12 hours to get a full strength signal, but it still does eventually get to that full strength signal.

No. LIGO are not looking for a 12 hr temp kind of effect, they are looking for a 50 hertz to 500 hertz temp kind of effect.

In any case it would take a carefull analysis of what happens to the laser beam after reflecting off thems systems of mirrors.

Right. Measuring frequency differences between the beams to high precision would count.

Not exactly.  What we have is an observer sitting in the lab & a laser sitting in the lab (albeit rotating).  We dont have an observer whizzing past the lab.

Both the observer and the lab are presumably whizzing past the aether.

Yes but if an observer sitting near the laser sees a static standing wave front wave train kind of beam then that beam will look the same no matter what the aetherwind.

[Kryptid]

Slowing of light in air water glass & near mass. Refraction, diffraction, bending of light near mass. Reflexion of light. The Catt TEM. EM radiation.  The 5c speed of em in the near field. Stickyness of photons, forming waves & wave fronts & wave trains.

And what experiment was done to confirm that these phenomena (of the ones that are actually confirmed phenomena, that is) were caused by photon stickiness in particular?

No. LIGO are not looking for a 12 hr temp kind of effect, they are looking for a 50 hertz to 500 hertz temp kind of effect.

That's not what they are looking for, no. But the instrument would still be able to record such a signal because the sensors are running for months on end. Last time I checked, 12 hours is less than a month. What difference does the rate of aether wind speed change matter anyway when pretty much any aether wind speed above zero will cause a frequency shift that can be detected?

Yes but if an observer sitting near the laser sees a static standing wave front wave train kind of beam then that beam will look the same no matter what the aetherwind.

If aether wind doesn't affect the properties of light then any experiment that used light to detect it could not have found it.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

One must be aware that clever averaging can help to get rid of unwanted signal.
An even more brazen trick is to attribute an unwanted signal to some other cause, & then subtract it.

And you have evidence that such things happened with the vacuum experiment I posted?

I had a look at the 2009 Eisele et al paper. Its too difficult to follow. They dont make a good start, they start by saying that local Lorentz invariance needs an inertial laboratory -- & Eisele's laboratory was not inertial, it was sitting on Earth.

The laser waves frequencies are kept equal to the cavity frequencies.  What in hell does that mean? How can that be a proper experiment. Does a trained monkey keep banging a red light whenever it comes on.

They have precision frequency locking of the laser wave to the cavities.  Why not just shoot holes in it?

To compensate for this effect, the tilt of the base plate of the rotation table is stabilized using an air spring system... 

Tilt is mentioned 15 times & half mentioned a few times. They had lots of worries re tilt.  They had lots of troubles re tilt. In the end tilt was the main cause of uncertainty or error.  And aetherists know that the full vector of the aetherwind is mainly vertical & that of course tilt must then be a big issue.

A single laser performs the interrogation of the two cavities by splitting its wave in two individually frequency tunable waves by means of acousto-optical frequency shifters....   What in hell is that supposed to mean?  How many trained monkeys do they use?  What is their expenditure on peanuts? What is interrogating what?  Why not say that the cavities are interrogating the lasers?

The waves frequencies are then stabilized to two TEMoo modes of the respective cavities......  I bet that their gizmo could drive itself to the pizza shop & back. It might be the first gizmo to get its own Nobel.  The monkeys wont like that.

In the RMS model, conventionally, the assumed preferred frame is at rest with respect to the cosmic microwave background radiation field....  The CMB has a direction about 90 deg off the known aetherwind.  So they are looking the wrong way.  In any case Herouni has shown that the CMB is zero, it dont exist, its the Earth's oceans.

The VRX gizmo & the associated stupid theory are so complicated that no one really knows what is going on.  They are testing at least 100 postulates. But have no doubt that not only have they nailed the one they intended, but that their accuracy is good to 17 decimals.
One thing for sure, their theory is not even good to one decimal.  They dont have a clue as to how a cavity behaves in the aetherwind, & they have no idea how a laser behaves in the aetherwind. Because any such paper (there are a few) are banned in mainstream journals. But they love krapp papers like this talking about the non-behavior of cavities & lasers in a non-aether universe, all based on the perfect ignorance of ignoramuses (with all due respect to the monkeys).
 
Laboratory Test of the Isotropy of Light Propagation at the 10
17 Level
Ch. Eisele, A. Yu. Nevsky, and S. Schiller
Institut fu¨r Experimentalphysik, Heinrich-Heine-Universita¨t Du¨sseldorf, 40225 Du¨sseldorf, Germany
(Received 13 June 2008; revised manuscript received 7 August 2009; published 25 August 2009)
We report on the results of a strongly improved test of local Lorentz invariance, consisting of a search
for an anisotropy of the resonance frequencies of electromagnetic cavities. The apparatus comprises two
orthogonal standing-wave optical cavities interrogated by a laser, which were rotated approximately
175 000 times over the duration of 13 months. The measurements are interpreted as a search for an
anisotropy of the speed of light, within the Robertson-Mansouri-Sexl (RMS) and the standard model
extension (SME) photon sector test theories. We find no evidence for an isotropy violation at a 1

uncertainty level of 0.6 parts in 1017 (RMS) and 2 parts in 1017 for seven of eight coefficients of the SME.

[Kryptid]

The VRX gizmo & the associated stupid theory are so complicated that no one really knows what is going on.

You think that just because you don't understand the set-up and terminology that those who built it must not either?

Here is another article which describes the apparatus. Perhaps it will help clarify some points you didn't understand: http://www.exphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/Publikationen/2007/Eisele%20et%20al%20A%20crossed%20optical%20cavities%20apparatus%20for%20a%20precision%20test%20of%20the%20isotropy%20of%20light%20propagation%202007.pdf

[Bored chemist]

In any case Herouni has shown that the CMB is zero, it dont exist, its the Earth's oceans.

Have you some extraordinary evidence to go with that?

In particular, can you explain why this sees the CMB, even though it's not even in orbit around the Earth?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkinson_Microwave_Anisotropy_Probe

You really need to start reality checking your ideas.

[syhprum]

Why does this "^" get left out people write 1017 when they apparently mean 10^17 quite a large difference !

[Bored chemist]

Because, if you copy + paste 10¹⁷ the formatting gets lost and it is rendered as 1017

[mad aetherist (OP)]

In any case Herouni has shown that the CMB is zero, it dont exist, its the Earth's oceans.

Have you some extraordinary evidence to go with that?

In particular, can you explain why this sees the CMB, even though it's not even in orbit around the Earth?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkinson_Microwave_Anisotropy_Probe

You really need to start reality checking your ideas.

WMAP aint on Earth. But duzzenmadder. U can google lots of CMB stuff by Robitaille & by Crothers, & re Herouni -- there are papers & also youtube stuff.
The radiation is from Earth's oceans.

[Bored chemist]

The radiation is from Earth's oceans.

WMAP aint on Earth.

Then how the **** does WMAP  see the radiation in space then?

You really need to start reality checking your ideas.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

The VRX gizmo & the associated stupid theory are so complicated that no one really knows what is going on.

You think that just because you don't understand the set-up and terminology that those who built it must not either?

Here is another article which describes the apparatus. Perhaps it will help clarify some points you didn't understand: http://www.exphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/Publikationen/2007/Eisele%20et%20al%20A%20crossed%20optical%20cavities%20apparatus%20for%20a%20precision%20test%20of%20the%20isotropy%20of%20light%20propagation%202007.pdf

Thanx for that link, i will look at it & report back. In the meantime here is what Cahill  thinks of modern dual cavity VRXs (or semiVRXs, as the masers/lasers do have some gas). Cahill shows once again that when examined more closely with an expert aetheric eye that the Xs actually proov aether.

Reginald T Cahill – 2003 – Quantum Foam, Gravity and Gravitational Waves.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0312082.pdf
See Section 3:8 re The New Bedford Experiment – 1963 – re
Test of Special Relativity or Isotropy of Space by Use of Infrared Masers – 1964 – Jaseja et al.
Cahill shows that the 3 kHz dip in their data (Fig 17) corresponds to the standard absolute motion of MMXs.

If we use the Newtonian physics analysis, as in Jaseja et al [14], which neglects both the Fitzgerald-Lorentz contraction and the refractive index effect, then we obtain δν = ν0v 2/c2 , that is without the n 2 − 1 term, just as for the Newtonian analysis of the Michelson interferometer itself. Of course the very small magnitude of the absolute motion effect, which was approximately 1/1000 that expected assuming only an orbital speed of v = 30 km/s in the Newtonian analysis, occurs simply because the refractive index of the He-Ne gas is very close to one7 . Nevertheless given that it is small the sidereal time of the obvious ’dip’ coincides almost exactly with that of the other observations of absolute motion. The New Bedford experiment was yet another missed opportunity to have revealed the existence of absolute motion. Again the spurious argument was that because the Newtonian physics analysis gave the wrong prediction then Einstein relativity must be correct. But the analysis simply failed to take account of the Fitzgerald-Lorentz contraction, which had been known since the end of the 19th century, and the refractive index effect which had an even longer history. As well the authors failed to convert their local times to sidereal times and compare the time for the ‘dip’ with Miller’s time8 .

[7 It is possible to compare the refractive index of the He-Ne gas mixture in the maser with the value extractable from this data: n 2 = 1 + 302/(1000 × 4002 ), or n = 1.0000028.]

Figure 17: Frequency difference in kHz between the two masers in the 1963 New Bedford experiment after a 900 rotation. The 275kHz difference is a systematic repeatable apparatus effect, whereas the superimposed ‘dip’ at 17−18:00hr sidereal time of approximately 3kHz is a real time dependent frequency difference. The full curve shows the theoretical prediction for the time of the ‘dip’ for this experiment using the Miller direction for ˆv (α = 5.2 hr, δ = −670 ) with |v| = 433km/s and including the earth’s orbital velocity and sun gravitational in-flow velocity effects for January 20, 1963. The absolute scale of this theoretical prediction was not possible to compute as the refractive index of the He-Ne gas mixture was unknown.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

The radiation is from Earth's oceans.

WMAP aint on Earth.

Then how the **** does WMAP  see the radiation in space then?

You really need to start reality checking your ideas.

Read Robitaille Crothers Herouni. They explain that the horns do not exclude radiation from Earth's oceans. The only horn that managed to do that was the horn designed & built by Herouni, which was well away from any sea & was in a deep hollow on a high mountain.  Plus Herouni's detector was an inverted dish, sitting below the rim of the main dish.  CMB = zero.  Game over. Thank u linesmen thank u ball boysngirls.

[Kryptid]

The radiation is from Earth's oceans.

Right, because the oceans are the only part of the Earth's surface that emit thermal radiation. Everyone knows that the surrounding land is at absolute zero. 

Cahill shows once again that when examined more closely with an expert aetheric eye that the Xs actually proov aether.

Looking at Figure 17 in the paper, the error bars are so large that it's possible that the actual data points lie on almost a straight line through them. Not only that, but the first three error bars are completely outside of what the absolute motion model predicts. Hardly a compelling case for aether. Then I would have to ask, what does an analysis of this 1963 data have to do with the data from LIGO or the Eisele-Nevsky-Schiller experiment?

The fact that this Reginald T. Cahill person is also an advocate for the expanding Earth theory (and says that it's caused by a black hole at the center of the Earth) does not bode well for his credibility...

[mad aetherist (OP)]

The radiation is from Earth's oceans.

Right, because the oceans are the only part of the Earth's surface that emit thermal radiation. Everyone knows that the surrounding land is at absolute zero. 

I dont understand that stuff, but Robitaille says that the two main bonds in water have a strength of 100 to 1, & their radiations must have a ratio of 100 to 1, which results in 300 kelvin & 3 kelvin.

Cahill shows once again that when examined more closely with an expert aetheric eye that the Xs actually proov aether.

Looking at Figure 17 in the paper, the error bars are so large that it's possible that the actual data points lie on almost a straight line through them.

Yes but there is a clear trend in thems points, bearing in mind that thems points are probly averages themselves.

Not only that, but the first three error bars are completely outside of what the absolute motion model predicts. Hardly a compelling case for aether.

Yes but the real aetherwind effect must be a twice a day thing, ie with two sine waves per day, ie two maximums &  two minimums per day, ie 6 hrs tween a max & a min (nearly anyhow), so with a min at 18.3 hr Cahill must be looking for a max at 12.3 hr, so he should be introducing an inflexion at 15.3 hr.
But he doesnt know the size of the swing tween a max & a min, so if we like we can draw his curve half as deep, his main point being that there is a dip near 18 hr.

Then I would have to ask, what does an analysis of this 1963 data have to do with the data from LIGO or the Eisele-Nevsky-Schiller experiment?

The Jaseja is similar to Eisele, so much of what Cahill says might apply. Bearing in mind that in 2003 Eisele was still in short pants.
Re LIGO, Cahill has made some comments re LIGO in some papers, he has wrongly suggested that LIGO put some air in their pipes because vacuum gives a null result, but here he was talking in terms of LIGO being a proper MMX, & i think he wasnt being serious.

The fact that this Reginald T. Cahill person is also an advocate for the expanding Earth theory (and says that it's caused by a black hole at the center of the Earth) does not bode well for his credibility...

Cahill isnt an expanding Earthist. U might be confusing him with Miles Mathis.
Re Cahill believing in any kind of black hole at the center of  the Earth, thats news to me -- i have read all of his papers & he doesnt touch on that kind of thing in relation to anything. He might infer something like that in his borehole anomaly paper, but he certainly doesnt use thems words.
But i do, i am ok with there being some dark matter at the center of Earth (& i have said so in naked scientists).

[Kryptid]

I dont understand that stuff

And apparently neither does Cahill, if he really said what the following statement implies:

but Robitaille says that the two main bonds in water have a strength of 100 to 1

100 to 1... of what? The two bonds in water are the exact same type. Their strengths are equal to each other.

their radiations must have a ratio of 100 to 1, which results in 300 kelvin & 3 kelvin.

That isn't how temperature works...

Yes but there is a clear trend in thems points, bearing in mind that thems points are probly averages themselves.

Even looking at the points alone, they don't match up well with Cahill's curve. The first three points are way off.

his main point being that there is a dip near 18 hr.

The size of the error bars would make that an ambiguous observation at best.

The Jaseja is similar to Eisele, so much of what Cahill says might apply.

Care to make a similar graph to demonstrate this?

Cahill isnt an expanding Earthist. U might be confusing him with Miles Mathis.

Then what is this paper about? http://vixra.org/abs/1504.0126 He says in the abstract that the expanding Earth has been observed.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

but Robitaille says that the two main bonds in water have a strength of 100 to 1

100 to 1... of what? The two bonds in water are the exact same type. Their strengths are equal to each other.

their radiations must have a ratio of 100 to 1, which results in 300 kelvin & 3 kelvin.

That isn't how temperature works...

Robitaille – The Structure of Liquid Water. (especially at 7:50 is good).

Robitaille – 2009 – Water, Hydrogen Bonding, and the Microwave Background.
http://www.ptep-online.com/2009/PP-17-L2.PDF

......Water should then be capable of sustaining thermal emissions over two very distinct regions of the electromagnetic spectrum. The first of these regions occurs in the infrared and is generated by the hydroxyl bond. A second thermal emission region exists in the far infrared or microwave region. These emissions are produced by the hydrogen bond. They represent energies which are a factor of about 80 times (k2=k1 = 78) lower than the frequencies observed for the hydroxyl bonds. Although knowledge of emission frequencies cannot be easily correlated with temperatures, this result implies that the thermal photons produced by the hydrogen bonding network might be detectable at apparent temperatures which are 80 fold below the real temperatures of the water system.
The thermodynamics of hydrogen bond rearrangements in the liquid phase have recently been examined [14]. This work gives a value of 1.5   0.5 kcal/mol ( 6.3 kJ/mol) for the rearrangement energy. As these energies are directly associated with the formation and breaking of hydrogen bonds, it implies that the true energy of these bonds is closer to 1.5   0.5 kcal/mol in the liquid state, not the 5 kcal/mol obtained from dimer studies [6]. Therefore, the appropriate force constant for the hydrogen bond in liquid water could be nearly 3 fold lower, yielding a ratio of force constants (k2=k1) in a range of 80–240. Consequently, the hydrogen bonding system in water could produce a thermal spectrum reporting a temperature which is 80–240 fold lower than the true temperature of the water system...........

..............Reflecting on the paucity of supportive data, in this very difficult experimental region of the far infrared, it seems that much more needs to be learned about the emissions due to hydrogen bonds in nature. In particular, the lack of a signal specifically assigned to hydrogen bonds from water on Earth gives cause for concern. This is because the microwave background [21] was assigned to the universe [22] when virtually nothing was known about the spectroscopic signature of the hydrogen bond. Consideration of these findings reveals why the author has advanced [15, 16] that the microwave background [21] does not correspond to an astrophysical signal [22], but instead is generated by the oceans [15, 16, 23]. Water has the means to generate thermal emissions in the far infrared and microwave regions. The fundamental oscillator involved is best represented by the dimer subunit and its associated hydrogen bond within liquid water itself. In the gas phase, the dimer is known to have a fundamental frequency in the far infrared [7], very close to the region sampled by the COBE FIRAS instrument [13]. It is quite reasonable to expect that the emissions from the oceans occur in the same region. In summary, the microwave background can be understood as follows: photons are being produced by the oceans and they are then scattered in the atmosphere such that a completely isotropic signal is observed [15]. The isotropy of the microwave background was first reported by Penzias and Wilson [21]. The signal is independent of temperature variations on the globe, since the hydrogen bonding energy system is already fully occupied at earthly temperatures. This explains why the microwave background is independent of seasonal changes [21]. Satellite data obtained by COBE strengthen the idea that the Earth does produce the microwave background [24, 25]. This hypothesis has not been refuted either by the three year [26] or five year WMAP findings.