[pensador (OP)]

I’ve seen results of experiments to confirm virtual particles can become permanent, so probably no reason to rely on Hawking radiation.

Do you happen to have a reference for the experiments showing virtual particles becoming real in the lab. I have references to the Dynamic Casimir effect converting virtual particles, but went with Hawking radiation, to keep things simple (not meaning Hawking radiation is simple but the picture is .


 

[pensador (OP)]

Maybe Emergent gravity has flaws, or maybe not https://phys.org/news/2018-08-flaw-emergent-gravity.html

[pensador (OP)]

I’ve seen results of experiments to confirm virtual particles can become permanent, so probably no reason to rely on Hawking radiation.

Do you happen to have a reference for the experiments showing virtual particles becoming real in the lab. I have references to the Dynamic Casimir effect converting virtual particles, but went with Hawking radiation, to keep things simple (not meaning Hawking radiation is simple but the picture is .

Colin seeing is believing. Do you have a link to verifiable experimental evidence that virtual particles have been converted in a lab to real particles out of the vacuum, or is it safer to stick with the Hawking concept put forward in the OP during the inflationary phase.

[Bored chemist]

Colin seeing is believing. Do you have a link to verifiable experimental evidence that virtual particles have been converted in a lab to real particles out of the vacuum,

Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_production#Photon_to_electron_and_positron

[pensador (OP)]

Colin seeing is believing. Do you have a link to verifiable experimental evidence that virtual particles have been converted in a lab to real particles out of the vacuum,

Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_production#Photon_to_electron_and_positron

Thanks for the response, but No ! That is not pair production from "Virtual Particles"or an empty vacuum of space, it requires bosons, which are not virtual particles, with more energy than the rest mass energies of the particles being created.

"Pair production is the creation of a subatomic particle and its antiparticle from a neutral boson. Examples include creating an electron and a positron, a muon and an antimuon, or a proton and an antiproton. Pair production often refers specifically to a photon creating an electron-positron pair near a nucleus. For pair production to occur, the incoming energy of the interaction must be above a threshold of at least the total rest mass energy of the two particles, and the situation must conserve both energy and momentum.[1] However, all other conserved quantum numbers (angular momentum, electric charge, lepton number) of the produced particles must sum to zero – thus the created particles shall have opposite values of each other. For instance, if one particle has electric charge of +1 the other must have electric charge of −1, or if one particle has strangeness of +1 then another one must have strangeness of −1. "

During the inflationary stage of the universe "prior" to the hot big bang. Virtual Particles, similar to Hawking Radiation, were likely separated, via the inflation of space ie energy from nothing except the HUP. In the beginning there was the HUP    I dont think it was light, I think the old testament is wrong, and not a basis for people to stop asking questions

I have come across no experimental evidence of virtual particles becoming real, Colin2B suggested he had seen experimental evidence of this. Pair production using pre existing bosons is not proof of Pair production from empty space.

I don't see any way in which the inflationary stage of the universe could be reproduced unless Penroses CCC theory is correct, in which case in a few 10^100 years time, another Hot Big bang might happen resulting in another Aeon.

[pensador (OP)]

A bit more on the inflation stage of the universe by Prof Matt Strassler  https://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/relativity-space-astronomy-and-cosmology/history-of-the-universe/inflation/

As you can see the inflation probably happened at immense mind boggling rates. This could very easily have separated virtual particle pairs, allowing them to become real, not unlike Hawking radiation being produced by black holes due to the separation of virtual particles.

Edit heres Prof Strassler on Quantum Fluctuations, he highlights a few problems with the energy availble in space from calculations using existing theories. Cosmological constant for instance. https://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/particle-physics-basics/quantum-fluctuations-and-their-energy/

Could space time as we know it be emergent and entangled to a certain extent 

[Bored chemist]

As the gamma ray photon travels through space it is simultaneously a set of virtual particles- electrons and positrons etc.
In the presence of a strong enough magnetic or electric field those virtual particles are forced onto separate tracks and become "real" at the expense of the original photon

[pensador (OP)]

As the gamma ray photon travels through space it is simultaneously a set of virtual particles- electrons and positrons etc.
In the presence of a strong enough magnetic or electric field those virtual particles are forced onto separate tracks and become "real" at the expense of the original photon

Yes I know this, the first requires the pre existence of the gamma ray, and not being of a religious nature, I don't believe in the beginning there was light. I think it was likely the HUP  . The second is I guess the Dynamic Casimir Effect and may be the closest thing to conversion of virtual particles to real particles. Some experiments were done in 2013 that claim to have proven the dynamic Casimir effect https://www.technologyreview.com/s/424111/first-observation-of-the-dynamical-casimir-effect/ . Is this what Colin2B might have been talking about?

I am thinking this is as close to proof of particles being able to appear from nothing in the inflationary phase of the universe.

 

[pensador (OP)]

In the presence of a strong enough magnetic or electric field those virtual particles are forced onto separate tracks and become "real" at the expense of the original photon

As an amusing aside or twist, I watched something Nicola Tesla last night, which put a thought into my head. I wonder if his huge electric and magnetic fields at Wardenclyffe (to supply power to the world maybe) could have produced real particles from virtual particles, causing some of his reported problems. I vaguely remember something to do with unexpected charges flowing to ground, through his tower or something vague like that. Just a thought   Did Tesla inadvertently produce real particles from virtual particles without understanding it. Maybe thinking his charge was appearing from the Aether ??