[Lance Canham (OP)]

Is Dark matter the new ether. 

After reading this story and putting it with my thinking - could what im describing as dark matter work like ether. If I assume what I see in the large scale structure happens again and again by less developed as you get bigger. then it happened infinite times before which gives dark matter but also fills the voids with incredibly smaller bits of matter  - even the voids we see have some stuff in them so the smaller and smaller do to.  in a way this would create your ether. Just a thought that this story brought.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2018/09/21/the-dark-matter-crisis/#.XLXXX-R8CUk

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Is Dark matter the new ether. 

Dark Matter is likely not matter that might be better explained as the Dark Matter effect. The dark matter effect might be a result of General Relativity being a mathematical model which is being stretched beyond its useful limits ie it breaks down inside of BH's and most likely at large distances. ie  extra random amounts of never detected Dark matter is required to explain why galaxies don't fly apart. The alternative is another theory of gravity is required, perhaps based on quantum mechanics, that can delve inside a black holes event horizon, and accurately predict the rotation curves of galaxies without having to add random amounts of dark matter. Many theories exist that don't require dark matter. MOND is an early version mentioned in your link not based on quantum mechanics.

The dark matter effect might be like an additional vector field experienced at the outer edges of galaxies, as explained in some of the none standard model theories. Some of the newer theories even include plausible explanations for Dark Energy, the cosmological constant introduced by Einstein which isn't constant. ie the growth of the universe is accelerating.

[Lance Canham (OP)]

Dark Matter is likely not matter that might be better explained as the Dark Matter effect

Thanks for the comment Flummoxed, I'm going to hold the idea of it being matter close to my heart till a theory or set of them comes out that explains Dark matter, Dark energy and increased expansion. ATM the BB fails here. It does not mean BB is totally wrong, I actually believe that in almost every single aspect that BB is right. I only disagree with the whole universe was in one spot then expanded past what we can see, The meaning a FINITE amount of mass.

Hawking said it should be simple and I believe it to be way to simple that everyone it stuck in there individual or group boxes digging so hard complicating it so dam much that the answer you are all looking for is slipping by above your heads.

Look up and extend that structure out to infinity and ask what is it, What's it doing.  Galaxies act like particles with particle/wave behaviour coming together to form something else bigger - sound familiar.

Its to crazy that everything that is was in one spot. I can accept that everything we see was in a small place and was still in bits. all the pieces themselves were so small that the space seemed big(its relative) But it was not everything there was a space beside that and so on - each expanded like that which we see.  Those little pieces pooled and pooled and contracted space - Everywhere not just that little spot but infantry big - all that pooling stretched space in the voids Pools come together Compressing and stretching faster till it reaches on a real small scale the same as what you see looking up Then you can say the universe cooled enough for your standard physics and math to start to work.

if I put the 2 together (big and small) then there must be bigger and smaller out to infinity. its organised well looking down (particles and all) but not yet looking up at the large scale structure so Then  if I pull back real far to see the next larger structure forming its there but way less defined - the pools are not even that yet its probably more like a few extra galaxies in a visible universes area needed to get that pooling - and its started  that's why there is an increase in expansion rate.

I read science all the time - astronomy has been my passion for over 50 years. Every fiber in my body says this is happening and I can fit BB right in. If I move over 10 million visible universes distance - I will see the same thing but it comes from a different very small piece of space.

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Bloody Hell there is not just one question here, and for me to answer it, might involve some speculation, but I cant resist. Hopefully some one will correct if I have made any glaring errors.  I am surprised no one has jumped in to correct the glaring error.

I'm going to hold the idea of it being matter close to my heart till a theory or set of them comes out that explains Dark matter, Dark energy and increased expansion.

Theories do exist but are not considered mainstream YET, that do explain the Dark Matter effect. It may be caused by a likely failing in general relativity, which is after all just a mathematical model. MOND is an early mathematical model which did not need random dark matter, the holographic model doesn't need it either. My favourite at the moment which can change at the drop of a hat is emergent gravity by Eric Verlinde, which originates in string theory, and quantum mechanics to explain how gravity and the expansion of the universe actually works. Other Theories also exist to explain how space and time is emergent see Sean Carroll

 

ATM the BB fails here. It does not mean BB is totally wrong, I actually believe that in almost every single aspect that BB is right. I only disagree with the whole universe was in one spot then expanded past what we can see, The meaning a FINITE amount of mass.

You are absolutely correct. It is a common misconception ref the singularity single spot in the BB, it is outdated and no longer mainstream. The inflationary universe does not produce all matter in the universe from a single spot. Matter comes into existence as the universe inflates over a region of space, and becomes very hot resulting in the hot big bang and the expansion of the universe, the big bang likely goes as per your understanding from then on.

Hawking said it should be simple and I believe it to be way to simple that everyone it stuck in there individual or group boxes digging so hard complicating it so dam much that the answer you are all looking for is slipping by above your heads.

Matter creation in the early universe could be as simple as Hawking suggests, around a BH via virtual particles become separated due to gravity becoming real. (I am speculating now) In the inflationary universe space expanded faster than light, which would like Hawking radiation separate virtual particles making them real. PS there is nothing simple in Hawkings paper ref particle creation around a black hole except the title

Look up and extend that structure out to infinity and ask what is it, What's it doing.  Galaxies act like particles with particle/wave behaviour coming together to form something else bigger - sound familiar.

Er maybe.

Its to crazy that everything that is was in one spot.

It most likely was not, look up inflationary universe, Alan Guth was the first to suggest this then the ideas were further developed by Linde and co. With all these theories there is more than one version. I take the average, some where in each theory might be nugget of the truth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)

If I move over 10 million visible universes distance - I will see the same thing but it comes from a different very small piece of space.

There are theories like Penroses CCC and Aeons suggesting the universe has undergone multiple inflationary phases, which would happen after all the stars have burned all there fuel. where g has gone to zero and dark energy is allowed to drive the expansion of space to inflationary speeds again, resulting in another Big Bang. You also have Quantum Loop Gravity. ie the BB happened from a Black Hole, which might explode if Hawking radiation ever evaporates away enough energy to allow a Black hole to go pop.

From my layman view . All things/theories MAY be connected to a certain extent. All things do originate with quantum fluctuations in space, according to the Heisenburg uncertainty principle. Which by no means gives uncertain results, it is an extremely accurate tool.

[Lance Canham (OP)]

I hope im understanding your point or what your saying my blinding error is. It would be that I figured you say BB puts everything in one spot. Which I accept your correction but that correction if im getting you - helps verify what im saying.

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It would be that I figured you say BB puts everything in one spot. Which I accept your correction but that correction if im getting you - helps verify what im saying.

Here is something on inflationary theory if you dig around you will find a whole lot more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Linde
The Big Hot Bang happened over a region of space after the inflationary period. ie Not one spot or singularity.

[Bored chemist]

"Is Dark matter the new ether"
No.

[Lance Canham (OP)]

Here is something on inflationary theory if you dig around you will find a whole lot more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_LindeThe Big Hot Bang happened over a region of space after the inflationary period. ie Not one spot or singularity.

Thanks, I used to have an issue with BB simply because of my own misinterpretation and that led me to all this thinking - Now I think im simply seeing past it.  My IQ test gift is seeing patterns. Now you show me I was wrong on my assumption of BB A correction finds it fits my thinking  - BB also helps explain the pooling I need moving up where 2 years ago I still needed special location which meant I was not quite there yet.  Hell 30 years ago I thought something was wrong with light and red shift.   Ill never do the math for this Idea - if in the end I am right others will have to I simply know what I see. Im also not scared  to admit when I wrong and change my thinking.

Thanks for the link

[Bored chemist]

My IQ test gift is seeing patterns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_canal

[Lance Canham (OP)]

My IQ test gift is seeing patterns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_canal

LOL good one  Much like - though I know im not seeing canals   LOL  much like

[Lance Canham (OP)]

"Is Dark matter the new ether"No.

  I honestly do not know if it is or not but I found the article and question interesting. Figured I would roll with it and see where it led my thinking. Least it helped me explain a few parts better.