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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #40 on: 04/02/2020 12:45:10 »
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Instead of vaguely criticizing my entire Ether Model, why don't you cite specific points for mutual debate, for example, how to account for quantum entanglement?
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #41 on: 04/02/2020 13:33:43 »
Quote from: MichaelMD on 04/02/2020 12:45:10
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Instead of vaguely criticizing my entire Ether Model, why don't you cite specific points for mutual debate, for example, how to account for quantum entanglement?

How in the world am I supposed to respond to meaningless gibberish like this?

The stability and orderliness of quantum systems, such as the structuring of atoms, requires an underpinning matrix of elemental, uniform, quantum-building-block ether units, which make for a continuum of vibrating units, which transmit linearly- conducted impulses connecting larger quantum units that are related and similar.

I suppose I just need to respond in your native tongue, gibberish.

Quantum entanglement is a result of vibratory cosmic strings in resonance with the radiative geodesic in spacetime. 
So clearly ether is not required.
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #42 on: 06/02/2020 16:26:49 »
The statement "ether is not required" indicates to me that your mind is closed to the possible existence of a universal ether. That in itself would rule out any chance of a debate on the question of quantum entanglement, which in my Ether Model  represents radiated packets of etheric energy which have the same vibratory pattern.

In case your position that there is no ether stems from the position of consensus quantum physics that ether was ruled out by the null result of the Michelson-Morley Experiment of 1887 (MMX) and its successors, if you check back in this Thread, I have pointed out what I claim were false assumptions in setting up all the MMX type expreiments.  -MMX assumed that any ether would have to be acting as "the medium" in the behavior of light beams (MMX measured optically-refracted light beams in different gravitational reference settings, and concluded that the behavior of the light beams indicated that an ether was not acting.)

In this Thread, I point out that this assumption was false because if (as in my Model of how a universal ether would have originated), the origin of individual units of the ether involved ultimately-rarified, "elemental," point-localities, being derived from universal, elemental, oscillating singleton units, which, through oscillatory fatigue, combined in Yin Yang couplets, which reversibly reverted to singleton units, which broke the perfect symmetry of the universal oscillations, converting space to a vibrating, instead of oscillating, universal ether. -Therefore, light beams, since they contain quantal photons, would lack any kind of inertial interface with these kinds of ultimately-rarified ether units. Therefore, that basic assumption by MMX was false. (Ironically, although this line of reasoning is rational and valid, in my Ether Model, it has no bearing on the actual model of the transmission of light, which actually occurs at the ether level (the photons being generated along the path of a light beam by the energy in the transmission) via an etheric electrical vibratory-contact mechanism, which transmits a continuum of linear impulse transmissions. No inertial motion is involved in this model of how light is primarily transmitted.
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #43 on: 06/02/2020 21:46:08 »
Quote from: MichaelMD on 06/02/2020 16:26:49
The statement "ether is not required" indicates to me that your mind is closed to the possible existence of a universal ether.

Then you're probably reading it the wrong way. It's possible to model an unfalsifiable ether and therefore one that could possibly exist despite failed attempts to detect it. Saying that ether isn't needed isn't ruling it out, it's just saying that the Universe is simpler without it and there is therefore no need to invoke it to explain anything.
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #44 on: 07/02/2020 00:46:59 »
An ether energy technology would probably open up unexpected vistas for us. Even just a better understanding of the fundamental basis of quantum forces would represent a major advance.

I'll repeat another statement made earlier in this Thread. - The stability and orderliness of quantum systems, such as the structuring of atoms, requires an underpinning matrix of elemental, uniform, quantum-building-block ether units, which form a continuum of linear impulse-transmissions, through an electrical vibratory-contact mechanism, connecting quantum units that are related and similar. This is the only rational explanation for quantum entanglement. Compare the straightforwardness of this ether model with rival models, such as String Theory, with its eleven dimensions.
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #45 on: 22/03/2020 12:05:57 »
To better clarify the basics of this Ether Model -

A universal ether, which formed in original-space, would be composed of elemental etheric units that are able to interact with each other via contact vibrations, which can align and entrain, and transmit impulses. -There would have to be tiny "empty" spaces between the units, to allow for vibration. The "empty" spaces would be the key to gravitational attraction, which involves heightened energy and partial quantization in the space between two bodies, and "tightening" of the ether between them, as ether units change from random vibration to more interaction. As the intervening ether tightens up, the two bodies are drawn toward each other.

Quantum entanglement occurs when two quantum units remain "connected" as their elemental constituent units (shared in common with elemental units of the underlying ether matrix) connect up, via a linear-impulse, transmitted through the ether between the quantum units..

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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #46 on: 22/03/2020 12:09:35 »

Quote from: MichaelMD on 22/03/2020 12:05:57
To better clarify the basics of this Ether Model -

A universal ether, which formed in original-space, would be composed of elemental etheric units that are able to interact with each other via contact vibrations, which can align and entrain, and transmit impulses. -There would have to be tiny "empty" spaces between the units, to allow for vibration. The "empty" spaces would be the key to gravitational attraction, which involves heightened energy and partial quantization in the space between two bodies, and "tightening" of the ether between them, as ether units change from random vibration to more interaction. As the intervening ether tightens up, the two bodies are drawn toward each other.

You think two paragraphs of word salad improves the clarity?
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #47 on: 19/04/2020 14:28:02 »
Physicists are still trying to account for quantum entanglement (Q.E.) with strictly-quantum physics theory, which does not accept that any ether exists. Wikipedia, a fair, impartial, authority on questions like this, states that in Q.E., when two closely-related quantum units are separated, changes in one of the pair induces changes in the other. -I reiterate that the only way this could happen is if the quantum units are connected through an intervening etheric matrix, and if their connection is via elemental units common to both the to quantum units, and the ether matrix.
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #48 on: 21/04/2020 14:48:08 »
Addendum to my last Post on quantum entanglement - Such a connection, passing through the ether matrix, would be via a packet of elemental ether units, having the same vibratory pattern, producing a linear transmission, through a vibratory-contact mechanism. The transmission would be continuous, with no vectors or inertial motion involved. 
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #49 on: 16/05/2020 14:41:59 »
To try to better clarify and expand on my explanation of Quantum Entanglement, with a similar model for light propagation.

Quantum systems operate via waves, fields, spin, and vectors. We perceive light visually because the photons associated with the transmission of light react with our atomically-structured eyes. My Model says that, nonetheless, the ether, which we are not able to detect, comes first, and that there is an underlying ether which operates via a different type of dynamics, vibration. If, for example, you consider how a beam of light is transmitted, in my Model, it is initiated by an energy source - say the sun or a flashlight bulb.This starts a process in the ether matrix, which sends a continuous transmission of tiny elemental ether units, which interact via a vibratory-contact mechanism. These ether units share a common vibratory pattern, and conduct the transmission of this light-beam-type pattern through the ether, as the primary underlying light-transmission. This etheric impulse, in addition to representing the primary transmission, transmits its high energy level, which arose from the original source (sun or light bulb) which passes, virtually unabated with the ether units, through the matrix, inducing the elemental units in the transmission to generate larger and larger units, as the elemental units align and entrain, in response to the energy. That is how large numbers of photons are generated, and appear in association with the transmission.

Quantum physics is wrong here. Photons do not trace out light beams by themselves, traveling through space.
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #50 on: 16/05/2020 15:13:33 »
Quote from: MichaelMD on 13/09/2019 13:10:40
They assumed that light beams would pass through any type of ether  acting as the "medium" for light passing through it.
No. They were testing the then-current hypothesis that light is a compression wave in something called aether.
They showed that it could not be, and Maxwell showed that there is no requirement for any medium for the propagation of electromagnetic radiation. 
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #51 on: 18/05/2020 11:30:08 »
Countering my particular Ether Model with such assertions by past quantum theorists and mathematicians would not resolve the fundamental theoretic issues of my Model.

The disconnect here would revolve around how my model differs from past working assumptions of physics in addressing certain details as to the nature of ether, and how my Model claims to provide new insights on its type of ether, and whether it indeed fits into current perspectives, using newer information pertaining to quantum entanglement, subquantum forces, and the like. We would have to take a fresh look at this area, and how my Model would fit.. 

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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #52 on: 20/06/2020 14:06:19 »
The actual point to be made on Alancalverd's Post, as to my Ether Model versus the Michelson Morley sets of experiments (MMX), would be that in my Model, the ether represents a matrix composed of "elemental" (therefore, presumptively- ultimately-minuscule) units, whereas the size-scale of the photon units, in the light beams being measured in MMX, is in the sub-quantal range. In such a case, the ether units would be vanishingly smaller than the photon units. The point I am making is actually as simple as this - If the ether consists of units much smaller than the photons of light being measured, there cannot be an inertial interface between the ether and the light being measured. The ether cannot interact with the light beams. This simple point alone means that MMX does not disprove ether.
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #53 on: 20/06/2020 16:25:47 »
Quote from: MichaelMD on 20/06/2020 14:06:19
in my Model, the ether represents a matrix composed of "elemental" (therefore, presumptively- ultimately-minuscule) units, whereas the size-scale of the photon units, in the light beams being measured in MMX, is in the sub-quantal range.
If you expect anyone to pay you any attention, you need to explain what most of the compound nouns there mean
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #54 on: 22/06/2020 14:47:29 »
The concept that the ether is basically composed of "presumptively ultimately-minuscule," "elemental," ether units is based on my model for how a universal ether had to have been formed in the first place.

A universal ether would have been formed first-causally, from the only possible universal substrate, original space. In my model, original space, being free from everything else, such as energic forces, could well have been more self-compatible than space is now. It, then,  could have been oscillational, in which the oscillating "points" would have been "elemental," meaning the point-like localities would have been as minuscule as can possibly be conceived of. -Then, when oscillatory fatigue led adjacent points to come together as "Yin Yang" couplets. the couplets would have had to reversibly revert to singleton units (in a process similar to equilibration in chemical processes). That would have broken the perfect symmetry of oscillation, producing a universal ether, containing elemental units which now independently vibrate, rather than reciprocally oscillating. (Oscillatory fatigue is a known process. It occurs in metals.)
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #55 on: 26/07/2020 12:49:17 »
I have described how my Ether Model would account for quantum entanglement, the propagation of light, and gravitation, during the course of this Thread. -At this point, I might return to the subject of the Thread's title, i.e., how quantum waveforms would be explained using this Model.

Quantum waveforms are generated by the effect of an outside energy source upon a previously-unenergized region of the ether. A wave's peak represents the point at which multiple "etheroidal" units transition to quantum units, and the quantum dynamic world, leaving the vibrational dynamic world of the ether. A wave's "trough" represents the die-back of larger etheroidal units, and the new quantum units. At this point, much smaller ether units, especially elemental units, predominate again in the ether.

To describe this in more detail, firstly, an outside energy impinges upon an unenergized ether region, starting a reaction in that ether region which could be called an "explosion of linearity", where the ether is changed from its previous state of quiet, random, vibration, to a state where the elemental ether units align, and then entrain, with each other, in a very rapid fashion, leading to a sudden buildup of etheroidal-, and then quantum-, scale units. (A necessary, but reasonable, assumption here is that the vibratory dynamic of the ether is virtually perfect, or "ideal.") The sudden appearance of a cascade of quantum units represents the peak of a waveform.

An analogy here would be with the way ocean waves act as they reach the shore. After the "peak" of the wave breaks on the shore, there ensues a "trough" effect, as water gently recedes back to the ocean.

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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #56 on: 26/07/2020 12:59:28 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/06/2020 16:25:47
Quote from: MichaelMD on 20/06/2020 14:06:19
in my Model, the ether represents a matrix composed of "elemental" (therefore, presumptively- ultimately-minuscule) units, whereas the size-scale of the photon units, in the light beams being measured in MMX, is in the sub-quantal range.
If you expect anyone to pay you any attention, you need to explain what most of the compound nouns there mean
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #57 on: 26/07/2020 13:28:18 »
In a post like this, I assume the viewer has gone to the effort of looking at my previous posts in the thread, where I discussed the compound words under other parts of the ether model. It would be too involved to go through how each term would fit into the model, in detail, in every post.
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #58 on: 27/07/2020 17:48:00 »
In case Bored chemist, by complaining about "compound nouns," he meant how I introduced the word "linearity" in my post, I will go further into that. -I probably was too brief, just saying that an outside energy, impinging on an un-energized ether region, induces an "explosion of linearity." I too-quickly assumed that viewers already realized that an "outside energy," such as any electromagnetic transmission, would be linear in nature. Its effect, upon reaching the unenergized ether area., would be that a linear transmission's own etheric forces would interact with, and affect, any new ether region it encounters, by stimulating the un-energized ether to start vigorously aligning and entraining, producing larger energy units, including quantum units (such as electrons.) -Physics still has difficulty accounting for where the very large numbers of electrons (or in the case of light transmissions, photons) are coming from, and how they arrive there.
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Re: Is this how quantum wave-forms are generated by underlying ether?
« Reply #59 on: 27/07/2020 18:05:25 »
Quote from: MichaelMD on 27/07/2020 17:48:00
In case Bored chemist, by complaining about "compound nouns," he meant how I introduced the word "linearity" in my post,
Since you don't have a clue what I meant, don't try to tell other people what I meant.
Quote from: MichaelMD on 26/07/2020 13:28:18
In a post like this, I assume the viewer has gone to the effort of looking at my previous posts in the thread, where I discussed the compound words under other parts of the ether model.
That's my point.
You didn't explain what they meant in your earlier posts either.
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