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Re: Relativity mistakes in my opinion
« Reply #20 on: 16/05/2019 06:01:13 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 00:31:03
Space tells matter how to move, matter tells space how to curve.

How? What is the mechanism?

Space "telling" matter how to move should be obvious. If the space is curved (like in a gravitational field) then the path of matter is going to be curved when it travels through it. Matter curving space is less obvious. I don't think anyone knows for certain why mass and energy create gravitational fields. But we do know that they do. The experiments I mentioned earlier show this.

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Can space talk to matter? What language?

You know very well that it is a metaphor. You are straw-manning.

Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 00:31:03
Without precise mechanism any scientific theory is a monkey story.

Agree?

Absolutely not. You do not have to know how something works in order to know that it does work. Newton and Kepler didn't know what caused gravity, yet their theories worked.

Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 00:31:03
The guy in the video said puncture space-time few times, fact.

It's another metaphor.

Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 00:51:58
The fabric of space-time? Ripples of the fabric of space-time?

What is the content of the fabric? What is ripples of what?

Space-time is made of space and time. That should have been obvious.

Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 00:51:58
Word salad? Word puzzle? Monkey toys?

Those phrases have become meaningless by now.

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Since forces are instantaneous

No they don't. You are assuming it without any hard data to back it up. Evidence to the contrary means that it is wrong. The speed of sound isn't infinite.

Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 03:41:23
That is why light/EM wave/photon/energy/information able to teleport through empty space.

Nobody here is going to take that claim seriously when the only way you can defend that claim is by invoking conspiracy theories.
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Re: Relativity mistakes in my opinion
« Reply #21 on: 16/05/2019 06:53:41 »
Sound is not force. You are confused.

Forces are coexisted with matters, forces don't propagate in space at light speed.

I tried so hard to open your mind, seems you intentionally against anything I say. Even facts and Coulomb's Law.

Follow the mechanism, precise cause and effect, otherwise, how to find out the truth?

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Re: Relativity mistakes in my opinion
« Reply #22 on: 16/05/2019 07:25:05 »
Gravity can observe, planets orbiting the Sun, apples falling to the ground.

Gravity was most accurately measured force in labs.

Gravity is constantly and continuing attracting matters, therefore it is instantaneous, it has no speed, it act upon matters instantly.

So simple fact, why some people are still confused?

Playing fool for fun?

 
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Re: Relativity mistakes in my opinion
« Reply #23 on: 16/05/2019 07:43:14 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 07:25:05
Gravity is constantly and continuing attracting matters, therefore it is instantaneous,
Cars continually drive round the M25, are you saying they go infinitely fast?
Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 06:53:41
Sound is not force. You are confused.
Yes it is, and you are plain wrong.

If I push one end of an iron bar that "push" travels along the bar at a measurable speed (a few km/sec).
It travels at the speed of sound in iron.

That's a highschool experiment.
Why are you trying to pretend it does not happen.
Why are you lying?
Are you trying to make yourself look good?
 That's not working. You just look foolish.
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Re: Relativity mistakes in my opinion
« Reply #24 on: 16/05/2019 07:57:47 »
Gravity is inherited force coexisting with matters. Gravity is not a car or thing that moves or travels or propagates.

Sound is not force. Sound is sound wave traveling in matter/medium.

A rod is matter, has mass, can never move at infinite speed. F=ma, that's why matter cannot be teleport.
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Re: Relativity mistakes in my opinion
« Reply #25 on: 16/05/2019 08:04:23 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 07:57:47
Gravity is not a car or thing that moves or travels or propagates.
Just repeatedly  saying things does not make them true.
It makes you look silly.
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Re: Relativity mistakes in my opinion
« Reply #26 on: 16/05/2019 08:06:19 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 07:57:47
A rod is matter, has mass, can never move at infinite speed.
OK, so, if I want to push something- say the light switch- and I use a metal bar to push it you say two things.
 The force moves instantly to the switch,
 but it does so without the bar moving infinitely fast.

Do you not see that you have contradicted yourself?
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Re: Relativity mistakes in my opinion
« Reply #27 on: 16/05/2019 17:02:18 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 06:53:41
I tried so hard to open your mind, seems you intentionally against anything I say. Even facts and Coulomb's Law.

I'm intentionally against things that go against known science. It is known for a fact that signal delay takes place between spacecraft in space. You claim that it is a lie promoted by the space agencies of the world. You said the same thing about gravitational wave detection being a lie. Yet you never offered any evidence that such conspiracies actually exist in reality. Why do you think anyone is going to believe in your conspiracy claims when you can't provide evidence of the conspiracies?

Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 07:25:05
Gravity is constantly and continuing attracting matters, therefore it is instantaneous, it has no speed, it act upon matters instantly.

So simple fact, why some people are still confused?

What experiment was it that demonstrated that gravity travels instantaneously? When was it performed? By who?
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Re: Relativity mistakes in my opinion
« Reply #28 on: 16/05/2019 20:34:57 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 07:57:47
Gravity is inherited force coexisting with matters. Gravity is not a car or thing that moves or travels or propagates.

Sound is not force. Sound is sound wave traveling in matter/medium.

A rod is matter, has mass, can never move at infinite speed. F=ma, that's why matter cannot be teleport.

What is it that you are seeking? Professional help?
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Relativity mistakes in my opinion
« Reply #29 on: 10/06/2019 05:13:17 »
Hi all,

What are common first-year-teacher mistakes to be aware of? And how do you avoid them?

Thank you.
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