[alancalverd]

Atheists "take a stance" (read as "choose to believe") that deities are a contradiction to their perception of the world.

Please don't tell me what I choose to believe. I choose not to believe. It's a healthy way of life.

Psychic phenomena have nothing to do with deities.

[CliveG]

There are clearly people who have psychic events that cannot be explained without deities

And once again, you make an extraordinary claim without the benefit of any evidence.

I have had a number and it gets difficult to constantly say I have some kind of brain malfunction.

It's much easier once you start saying  that the phones are making your brain malfunction.

But that misses the point.
There are well known  carefully documented malfunctions of the brain which everyone is subject to.
For example, the placebo effect.
But you refuse to accept that normal brain function happens to you.
(snip)

Do you deny that people have mystic experiences? Or psychic experiences? What evidence is there that ALL have no useful information?

I have evidence. You choose not to accept my testimony. If you had to cross-examine me you would have a hard time denting my credibility. It is what the medical profession does with pain. They ask questions and decide whether the answers are genuine. There is no pain-o-meter. (My blood pressure did climb to a very high number when I was in pain.) "Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence" is simply a mantra that sounds like a good counter-argument allowing people to evade examining the evidence that is presented to them.

A placebo effect is not a brain malfunction. It is a very well documented example of the power of belief. It is not necessarily spiritual. The ability of the mind to control body processes is amazing. Hypnosis in another well-known phenomenon of the ability of the mind. One can make a muscle so stiff the bones can break.

Of course I am subject to these effects. But you are saying that the information that accompanied such effects is or was useless. In one case, I knew a man was about to die on the highway in a few minutes and I slowed down so as to not ride over him. It was no idle thought. It was as if I realized I had left a pot of boiling oil on a hot stove. It happened. Assume it was a brain malfunction. Where did the information come from? It was an ordinary sunny day and the bikers were riding responsibly.

In another case, I told a woman I had only just met as part of a group that the Tarot cards were saying she hated her husband. Everyone was sure she had a happy marriage. Two weeks later she left her husband and kids. She hated him. So for a cold reading (the cards that came up were quite specific as to the hatred) or a brain malfunction, how did I get the information so right?

All you can do is try to throw doubt onto my version of what I am saying. It is a form of denial to protect your belief system.

[Bored chemist]

Do you deny that people have mystic experiences? Or psychic experiences?

You haven't defined " mystic experiences? Or psychic experiences"

[CliveG]

I guess I am coming to the end of another learning experience.

Regrettably I am having to deal with things breaking down. I am finding society is getting less competent, more confused and more corrupt. My wife asks me why I insist on fixing things myself - the cars, the plumbing, the electrics. I show her the work done and paid for that needs redoing. I am waiting for the court to issue a Letter of Executorship for my late aunt. A simple submission. They have everything but are unresponsive and ask for documents already submitted.

I must try to do the box experiment soon.

[CliveG]

Another day at the house doing repairs. Unfortunately the gate, the cars, the electrics and the plumbing are all out doors in the high radiation area. My stomach is taking a beating. Nausea and pains in my intestines despite taking one Tramadol in the morning. And my nose starts to ache. I go home early and go to bed to recover for the next day. I will be happy when the house is sold.

[Bored chemist]

All you can do is try to throw doubt onto my version of what I am saying. It is a form of denial to protect your belief system.

Get a mirror.

[CliveG]

Today, I only spent a short time at the house and away from the radiation. No aches with my nose, no stomach pains or nausea and no tiredness. Just a note about simple cause and effect. My spelling and grammar is getting seriously bad - a worry.

[Bored chemist]

. Just a note about simple cause and effect.

Yes the fact that you believed you would be better meant that you experienced less symptoms.
Cause: you believed you would be better
Effect: you experienced less symptoms.

Nobody has disputed the cause and effect here.
They have disputed the mechanism.

[Bored chemist]

I will meet with her and hear her story. She says she is painting her house with reflective paint. That must be seriously expensive.

Did that get off the ground?

[CliveG]

I will meet with her and hear her story. She says she is painting her house with reflective paint. That must be seriously expensive.

Did that get off the ground?

I had too many things to deal with and had to postpone until after 13 December 2019. For the next seven days I will be in the Pilanesberg Game Park. Will be among the animals who have a code of conduct and the society is orderly and sustainable.

And no radiation. I expect my health to improve - oh wait - that is a problem because it means I cannot claim lack of radiation caused my lack of symptoms. I should market the concept. I can make you well as long as you expect to get well. Does that mean that if I expect to get well next to a tower that I will get well? Hmmm.

[Bored chemist]

I should market the concept. I can make you well as long as you expect to get well.

It's been done.
That's the business model of practically all alternative medicine.
And the thing is that you don't seem to understand the fact.
You think it's an idea to ridicule.
Which tells us that you are wide open to exploitation, but also that you are not in a position to look at whether your on experience is in the same category.

Enjoy your break.
Perhaps while you are there you will find other people who notice that, when they get a chance to relax, their health improves; even the ones who don't live under a phone mast.
You might even learn something from that.

[syhprum]

Ones impression of the sequence of events does not always coincide with their actual physical sequence your brain will sometimes work out a possible explanation for a stimulus before letting the actual stimulus thru. 

[CliveG]

I should market the concept. I can make you well as long as you expect to get well.

It's been done.
That's the business model of practically all alternative medicine.
And the thing is that you don't seem to understand the fact.
You think it's an idea to ridicule.
Which tells us that you are wide open to exploitation, but also that you are not in a position to look at whether your on experience is in the same category.

Enjoy your break.
Perhaps while you are there you will find other people who notice that, when they get a chance to relax, their health improves; even the ones who don't live under a phone mast.
You might even learn something from that.

My comment was soooo tongue-in-cheek. But how could you pass up a chance for comment by assuming I was not.

Well, the holiday was spent on new lessons. Lessons in pain and suffering.

I stopped taking the pain-killers (2 Tramadol a day). The radiation pain disappeared in the first day. Great.

The second day I experienced withdrawal pain - plus nausea. The pains are different. The radiation pain is mostly shoulders and arms and is a tense type of pain. The withdrawal pain is more generalized and more of an all over ache.

I then got flu on the third day. It was the last thing I wanted after my nose operation. My nose got all stuffy and painful, but it was the muscle pains on the fourth day that indicated flu. The pain was mostly in my lower legs and lower back and was a steady pain like deep sun-burn. I was back on the pain-killers and they stopped this type of pain.

I spent a lot of time in bed and sleeping.

Yesterday, we had Christmas dinner for the family at the house. Early this year for a number of reasons. I tried not to wear a silly-looking foil hat but had to do so outside with a regular hat over the foil. If I did not, I got a headache. I notice that I got the headache fairly quickly (about 30-60 minutes) and that it disappeared within 5-10 minutes of wearing the foil. This happened three times.

My previous observation that, if one is ill, then the effects are more noticeable, is further evidenced.

Unfortunately I noticed that the two double doses of anti-fungal (Itraconazole) I took made a growth on my arm disappear - which means I still have a systemic fungal infection. Now nearly 9 years. At some point, the medication with either stop working, or the medication will do organ damage. I had better do the box experiment before it is too late.

[Bored chemist]

I noticed that the two double doses of anti-fungal (Itraconazole) I took made a growth on my arm disappear -

Or it was a coincidence.
You never seem to accept that coincidence is even possible- which is why you are going down badly on a science web page.

[alancalverd]

So the obvious conclusion is to stop taking Tramadol (addictive, psychoactive) and Itraconazole (usually only given as a single large dose for acute conditions - can induce resistance). But then I'm not medically qualified, just literate.

[CliveG]

I noticed that the two double doses of anti-fungal (Itraconazole) I took made a growth on my arm disappear -

Or it was a coincidence.
You never seem to accept that coincidence is even possible- which is why you are going down badly on a science web page.

A medical doctor pointed out that the growths I was getting on my arm were fungal. This was shortly after he accepted that I had systemic histoplasmosis. He only accepted I had it after I got some Itraconazole from someone and treated myself. He gave me an antifungal cream to get rid of them. Once the Itraconazole started working I did not get them. Only if I tried to stop taking the Itraconazole did they come back. They are slow to grow but take a few days to go away with the topical cream. This time I did not have the cream on holiday and decided it was time to take the oral traconazole.

But you could be right. Take the prescribed medicine for a known condition and the known condition goes away. Coincidence is an amazing explanation for just about anything.

[CliveG]

So the obvious conclusion is to stop taking Tramadol (addictive, psychoactive) and Itraconazole (usually only given as a single large dose for acute conditions - can induce resistance). But then I'm not medically qualified, just literate.

Strange that my medical doctor prescribes Tramadol as much as he does. Strange that I am in enough pain that I cannot function if I do not take the Tramadol. Of course, it may be coincidence that the pain goes away in situations where there is no cell phone radiation (the beach, the hydro resort, the game park). But because the same places are away from "normal" living, it may be the "normal" living that is the cause. What is it about normal living anyway?

I am aware of the dangers of Itraconazole. Which is why doctors will not usually prescribe it. What choice do I have? If I stop taking the anti-fungal I get growths on my skin, severe nausea and a rise in C-reactive protein indicating severe inflammation. When it is about to kill me, I have foam coming up from my lungs. A condition that HIV patients about to die from histoplasmosis get a day or two before their death. Damned if I do and damned if I don't.

If the fungus becomes resistant there is only one other anti-fungal which I am not sure I will take because it is so terrible.

Since the histoplasmosis makes me more sensitive to pain and toxins I will stop the Itraconazole so that my box experiment has a greater chance of success. I have said that a medical condition is made worse by cell radiation.

[Blimey]

As you go down in scale to the microorganisms you would expect there to be some effect from these micro wavelengths.

[evan_au]

With the current virus pandemic, people who can communicate their needs (eg via mobile phone towers) will fare better than those who are cut off from communications.

That strikes me as a net health benefit from mobile phone towers.

[Bored chemist]

With the current virus pandemic, people who can communicate their needs (eg via mobile phone towers) will fare better than those who are cut off from communications.

That strikes me as a net health benefit from mobile phone towers.

My phone is letting me work from home, where there's nobody to give me any infection.