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How close are we from building a virtual universe?

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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #200 on: 05/07/2021 06:08:08 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/07/2021 05:40:06
I don't think that you are safe thinking that way.
I think that if an asteroid was to collide with the earth that would be proof of a very evil computer programmer in our virtual universe. This would be like the devil in a real universe.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #201 on: 05/07/2021 07:46:29 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 05/07/2021 06:08:08
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/07/2021 05:40:06
I don't think that you are safe thinking that way.
I think that if an asteroid was to collide with the earth that would be proof of a very evil computer programmer in our virtual universe. This would be like the devil in a real universe.
In my previous example I was thinking about a small asteroid capable of destroying a house.
A virtual universe, or even a nested virtual universe, eventually must be build upon a real universe. It's impossible for a virtual universe to exist when no real universe is there.
Whatever is done in a virtual universe can't be said to be evil or good until it has some effect in real universe.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #202 on: 05/07/2021 08:08:21 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/07/2021 07:46:29
Whatever is done in a virtual universe can't be said to be evil or good until it has some effect in real universe.
So what your saying is that an incoming asteroid can leave the virtual universe and collide into the real universe or at least a house in the real universe. This is the some effect that you say my happen. This would be a very dangerous computer simulator we better warn the pilots that are using flite simulators as it could turn out to be a real crash as they train in their simulators.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #203 on: 05/07/2021 11:15:44 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 05/07/2021 08:08:21
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/07/2021 07:46:29
Whatever is done in a virtual universe can't be said to be evil or good until it has some effect in real universe.
So what your saying is that an incoming asteroid can leave the virtual universe and collide into the real universe or at least a house in the real universe. This is the some effect that you say my happen. This would be a very dangerous computer simulator we better warn the pilots that are using flite simulators as it could turn out to be a real crash as they train in their simulators.
If your flight simulator contains bugs that makes training pilots to react differently than what they should do in real life, then those bugs in the virtual universe is indeed dangerous.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #204 on: 05/07/2021 11:32:26 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/07/2021 11:15:44
If your flight simulator contains bugs that makes training pilots to react differently than what they should do in real life, then those bugs in the virtual universe is indeed dangerous.
I see what you're saying but the flight simulator could be dangerous as the captain could spill hot coffee on his lap or even worse. He will learn not to do that in the real univers.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #205 on: 05/07/2021 12:22:48 »
You can kill thousands of people in GTA or Total War without being evil in real life.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #206 on: 05/07/2021 12:37:34 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/07/2021 12:22:48
You can kill thousands of people in GTA or Total War without being evil in real life.
I don't like violent games they incite violence in the real universe. But I do get your point thank you.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #207 on: 05/07/2021 12:48:24 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/09/2019 04:23:45
The level of detail can vary, depends on the significance of the object. In google earth, big cities might be zoomed to less than 1 meter per pixel, while deserts or oceans have much coarser detail.
We need better detail in the virtual would let's say 20 megapixels to each and every atom.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #208 on: 05/07/2021 13:30:05 »
Is it possible to build a virtual universe?
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #209 on: 05/07/2021 14:56:36 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 05/07/2021 12:48:24
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/09/2019 04:23:45
The level of detail can vary, depends on the significance of the object. In google earth, big cities might be zoomed to less than 1 meter per pixel, while deserts or oceans have much coarser detail.
We need better detail in the virtual would let's say 20 megapixels to each and every atom.
Any scalable virtual universe must be built as vectors or tensors instead of pixels, especially when it's multidimensional.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #210 on: 05/07/2021 15:05:06 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 05/07/2021 13:30:05
Is it possible to build a virtual universe?
We know there are some efforts already in progress towards that direction. But they are all still partial and mostly independent from one another.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #211 on: 05/07/2021 15:29:03 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/07/2021 15:05:06
We know there are some efforts already in progress towards that direction. But they are all still partial and mostly independent from one another.
I hope it's not too expensive to jump in once they get it up and running. They use to charge 20 cents for a go on space invaders at the arcade centre.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #212 on: 06/07/2021 19:47:02 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 05/07/2021 15:29:03
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/07/2021 15:05:06
We know there are some efforts already in progress towards that direction. But they are all still partial and mostly independent from one another.
I hope it's not too expensive to jump in once they get it up and running. They use to charge 20 cents for a go on space invaders at the arcade centre.
What I meant was not about world simulation like Matrix the movie. They are more mundane and narrow purposed, such as Google earth, climate simulation, alphafold, Tesla's Dojo and vertical integration, Microsoft Flight Simulator, SAP ERP, Chinese government's surveillance system, Estonia's digital governance, financial/banking systems, crypto currency, Virtual Machines to manage workstations, etc. They try to represent some aspects of objective reality for easier access to extract information, aggregate and manage them, and help with decision making process.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #213 on: 06/07/2021 19:49:47 »
"Exclusive Q&A: Neuralink’s Quest to Beat the Speed of Type - IEEE Spectrum" https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/biomedical/bionics/exclusive-neuralinks-goal-of-bestinworld-bmi
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Elon Musk’s brain tech company, Neuralink, is subject to rampant speculation and misunderstanding. Just start a Google search with the phrase “can Neuralink...” and you’ll see the questions that are commonly asked, which include “can Neuralink cure depression?” and “can Neuralink control you?” Musk hasn’t helped ground the company’s reputation in reality with his public statements, including his claim that the Neuralink device will one day enable “AI symbiosis” in which human brains will merge with artificial intelligence.

It’s all somewhat absurd, because the Neuralink brain implant is still an experimental device that hasn’t yet gotten approval for even the most basic clinical safety trial.

But behind the showmanship and hyperbole, the fact remains that Neuralink is staffed by serious scientists and engineers doing interesting research. The fully implantable brain-machine interface (BMI) they’ve been developing is advancing the field with its super-thin neural “threads” that can snake through brain tissue to pick up signals and its custom chips and electronics that can process data from more than 1000 electrodes.
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IEEE Spectrum: Elon Musk often talks about the far-future possibilities of Neuralink; a future in which everyday people could get voluntary brain surgery and have Links implanted to augment their capabilities. But whom is the product for in the near term?

Joseph O’Doherty: We’re working on a communication prosthesis that would give back keyboard and mouse control to individuals with paralysis. We’re pushing towards an able-bodied typing rate, which is obviously a tall order. But that’s the goal.

We have a very capable device and we’re aware of the various algorithmic techniques that have been used by others. So we can apply best practices engineering to tighten up all the aspects. What it takes to make the BMI is a good recording device, but also real attention to detail in the decoder, because it’s a closed-loop system. You need to have attention to that closed-loop aspect of it for it to be really high performance.

We have an internal goal of trying to beat the world record in terms of information rate from the BMI. We’re extremely close to exceeding what, as far as we know, is the best performance. And then there’s an open question: How much further beyond that can we go?

My team and I are trying to meet that goal and beat the world record. We’ll either nail down what we can, or, if we can’t, figure out why not, and how to make the device better.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #214 on: 07/07/2021 00:10:09 »
Thank you my friend that is very interesting information I think medical science and I.T is making great progress we will have to see what the future holds.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #215 on: 07/07/2021 05:20:27 »
https://venturebeat.com/2021/07/05/the-future-of-deep-learning-according-to-its-pioneers/
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In their paper, Yoshua Bengio, Geoffrey Hinton, and Yann LeCun, recipients of the 2018 Turing Award, explain the current challenges of deep learning and how it differs from learning in humans and animals. They also explore recent advances in the field that might provide blueprints for the future directions for research in deep learning.

Titled “Deep Learning for AI,” the paper envisions a future in which deep learning models can learn with little or no help from humans, are flexible to changes in their environment, and can solve a wide range of reflexive and cognitive problems.

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In their paper, Bengio, Hinton, and LeCun acknowledge these shortcomings. “Supervised learning, while successful in a wide variety of tasks, typically requires a large amount of human-labeled data. Similarly, when reinforcement learning is based only on rewards, it requires a very large number of interactions,” they write.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #216 on: 07/07/2021 14:21:48 »
If a virtual universe is ever up and running how will people be able to interact with this technology. Will it be the use of an electrically operated head worn attachment and eye ware that allows us to navigate and communicate throughout the virtual universe.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #217 on: 08/07/2021 10:51:06 »

Moore's Law is dead, right? Not if we can get working photonic computers.

Lightmatter is building a photonic computer for the biggest growth area in computing right now, and according to CEO Nick Harris, it can be ordered now and will ship at the end of this year. It's already much faster than traditional electronic computers a neural nets, machine learning for language processing, and AI for self-driving cars.

It's the world's first general purpose photonic AI accelerator, and with light multiplexing -- using up to 64 different colors of light simultaneously -- there's long path of speed improvements ahead.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #218 on: 08/07/2021 10:59:41 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 07/07/2021 14:21:48
If a virtual universe is ever up and running how will people be able to interact with this technology. Will it be the use of an electrically operated head worn attachment and eye ware that allows us to navigate and communicate throughout the virtual universe.
At first the interface would likely be similar to currently existing human-machine interfaces, such as monitor, camera, keyboard, mouse, touchscreen, speaker, microphone, VR and AR. But eventually, as direct brain interface gets better and reliable, those devices will be slowly replaced due to their speed limitation which will become a communication bottleneck.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #219 on: 08/07/2021 11:11:13 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 08/07/2021 10:59:41
At first the interface would likely be similar to currently existing human-machine interfaces,
Thank you for the info hamdani, Looks like good things on the way. We will be like kids again.
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