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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #460 on: 28/03/2023 10:52:10 »
Quote from: Eternal Student on 28/03/2023 04:40:38
Maybe but maybe those building blocks were not there and did not exist at all.
Assuming that it doesn't exist gives us nothing. Even nihilists get no advantage by doing so, but for different reason.
So, we would be better off assuming it exists, so we can make and continuously improve our models so we can make more effective and efficient plans to try achieving our terminal goal.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #461 on: 28/03/2023 10:58:20 »
AI is Evolving Faster Than You Think [GPT-4 and beyond]


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In this episode, we take a deep look at the two weeks that changed the world. From GPT-4 to Google Bard, Midjourney v5 and even talk of AGI from Microsoft, it’s all right here.

Correction at 16:20: Upon taking a closer re-reading of the the statement it seems like the internal red team were more trying to cover their backs incase something goes wrong, not so much flat out saying they advise against release. Privately they could feel either way, wanted to just note that!
The problem of goal alignment is getting more urgent to solve and be trained to the AI as soon as possible.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #462 on: 28/03/2023 17:54:41 »
Quote from: Eternal Student on 28/03/2023 04:40:38
We have built and continue to build a lot of Physics on the idea of particles existing.   Maybe they don't, it could all be waves and oscillations in some underlying field.
Not entirely true. We describe what we have observed in terms of particle and wave mathematics, but stating that x "is" y is the domain of philosophy and pointless vanity, not science.
My point is that we generally pursue our research whenever the observed universe doesn't behave exactly as our model predicts, so the answer to the original question is that we are as close to building a virtual universe as is necessary except for the following [insert unexplained phenomena here].
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #463 on: 03/04/2023 03:14:48 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 28/03/2023 10:58:20
The problem of goal alignment is getting more urgent to solve and be trained to the AI as soon as possible.
This is why.
GPT 4 Can Improve Itself - (ft. Reflexion, HuggingGPT, Bard Upgrade and much more)
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GPT 4 can self-correct and improve itself. With exclusive discussions with the lead author of the Reflexions paper, I show how significant this will be across a variety of tasks, and how you can benefit.

I go on to lay out an accelerating trend of self-improvement and tool use, laid out by Karpathy, and cover papers such as Dera, Language Models Can Solve Computer Tasks and TaskMatrix, all released in the last few days.

I also showcase HuggingGPT, a model that harnesses Hugging Face and which I argue could be as significant a breakthrough as Reflexions. I show examples of multi-model use, and even how it might soon be applied to text-to-video and CGI editing (guest-starring Wonder Studio). I discuss how language models are now generating their own data and feedback, needing far fewer human expert demonstrations. Ilya Sutskever weighs in, and I end by discussing how AI is even improving its own hardware and facilitating commercial pressure that has driven Google to upgrade Bard using PaLM.
Here's the top comment to the video.
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People: stop training models more powerful than GPT4
GPT4: improves itself
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #464 on: 05/04/2023 22:28:43 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 03/04/2023 03:14:48
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 28/03/2023 10:58:20
The problem of goal alignment is getting more urgent to solve and be trained to the AI as soon as possible.

Here's the top comment to the video.
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People: stop training models more powerful than GPT4
GPT4: improves itself

So...it has Emergence properties, it can Code & also utilize the Internet.

Then...What would Goals mean to it?
Making Sam Altman the Richest person?
Making OpenAI the Most Valuable Company?
Making the U.S. of A Impenetrable & Undefeatable?
OR
Uplifting the whole Human Species?

It's like having a Choice between making the World a Better place VS becoming the King/Queen & Ruling the World.
(i know what i would Choose, but Fear what the Other 8 Billion would Decide)
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #465 on: 06/04/2023 08:20:48 »
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So...it has Emergence properties, it can Code & also utilize the Internet.

Then...What would Goals mean to it?

Technically, goals of AI models are maximizing their reward function. In other words, they make decisions based on what they expect to produce highest value of their reward function, which were set by their developers (at least initially).
Effectively, goals of AI models as seen from outsiders' perspective would look like a condition which would make their reward function reach maximum value, based on whatever inputs put into the models.

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ChatGPT is a natural language processing tool driven by AI technology that allows you to have human-like conversations and much more with the chatbot. The language model can answer questions and assist you with tasks like composing emails, essays, and code.


The model has many functions in addition to answering simple questions. ChatGPT can compose essays, describe art in great detail, create AI art prompts, have philosophical conversations, and even code for you.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-is-chatgpt-and-why-does-it-matter-heres-everything-you-need-to-know/

But the manually hard coded reward functions may not be really aligned to what were intended by their developers. Previous AI models had shown these cases, which made them shut down soon after they went on line.

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The transformer architecture is a type of neural network that is used for processing natural language data. A neural network simulates the way a human brain works by processing information through layers of interconnected nodes. Think of a neural network like a hockey team: each player has a role, but they pass the puck back and forth among players with specific roles, all working together to score the goal.

The transformer architecture processes sequences of words by using "self-attention" to weigh the importance of different words in a sequence when making predictions. Self-attention is similar to the way a reader might look back at a previous sentence or paragraph for the context needed to understand a new word in a book. The transformer looks at all the words in a sequence to understand the context and the relationships between the words.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-does-chatgpt-work/

When we allow the AI models to modify (at least some of) their own reward functions, we need to define the highest priority goal that they can never change by themselves.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #466 on: 06/04/2023 21:15:19 »
Ut semper GIGO.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #467 on: 07/04/2023 06:11:02 »
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GPT 4 Can Improve Itself
GPT-4 with Self-Reflection beats GPT-4
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In this video, We quickly talk about "Reflexion: an autonomous agent with dynamic memory and self-reflection".

This is a framework that allows AI agents to emulate human-like self-reflection and evaluate its performance on the ALFWorld and HotpotQA benchmarks.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #468 on: 07/04/2023 07:00:38 »
Before we even adapt to GPT4, the next generation is already on the way.
GPT-5 is Coming: What you NEED TO KNOW!
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Today we break down what rumors and other details we know so far about GPT 5 and why it might be closer than you think.

00:00 Intro
1:04 GPT 5 Rumors
3:47 How will GPT 5 be better?
5:03 Plugins / The Everything App
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #469 on: 07/04/2023 07:05:04 »
So it can recycle its own excrement and produce ever more refined garbage.

At what point does artificial intelligence turn into artificial religion?
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #470 on: 07/04/2023 11:49:32 »
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Ut semper GIGO.
The data fed into the AI models are not exclusively garbage. Good AI models can filter out garbage and can recognize it effectively and efficiently.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #471 on: 07/04/2023 11:53:26 »
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So it can recycle its own excrement and produce ever more refined garbage.

At what point does artificial intelligence turn into artificial religion?
At the point where they can't make corrections to their previous errors. But if that does happen, then their competitors are ready to take over. Their developers won't let that happen.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #472 on: 07/04/2023 11:59:10 »
The definition of garbage being...? AI does not have the ability to test anything - it can only rely on published data. So it is likely to be led by the consensus of others and end up believing in fairies, anthropogenic global warming and the Zionist conspiracy. .
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #473 on: 07/04/2023 12:00:31 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 07/04/2023 11:53:26
At the point where they can't make corrections to their previous errors.

Which is indistinguishable from getting the answer right.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #474 on: 07/04/2023 13:15:55 »
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At the point where they can't make corrections to their previous errors.

Which is indistinguishable from getting the answer right.
It's the difference between false positive and true positive.

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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #475 on: 07/04/2023 13:18:27 »
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The definition of garbage being...? AI does not have the ability to test anything - it can only rely on published data. So it is likely to be led by the consensus of others and end up believing in fairies, anthropogenic global warming and the Zionist conspiracy. .
It depends on which data used to train them, their model architecture, and their access to real world.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #476 on: 07/04/2023 13:40:17 »
First hand information can always be helpful.
Ilya Sutskever (OpenAI Chief Scientist) - Building AGI, Alignment, Spies, Microsoft, & Enlightenment
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Asked Ilya Sutskever (Chief Scientist of OpenAI) about
- time to AGI
- leaks and spies
- what's after generative models
- post AGI futures
- working with MSFT and competing with Google
- difficulty of aligning superhuman AI


Timestamps
00:00 Time to AGI
05:57 What’s after generative models?
10:57 Data, models, and research
15:27 Alignment
20:53 Post AGI Future
26:56 New ideas are overrated
36:22 Is progress inevitable?
41:27 Future Breakthroughs
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #477 on: 08/04/2023 12:34:29 »
https://youtube.com/shorts/QX5Nw-rVF30
The dark side of AI art.
The accurate and accessible virtual universe will make it harder to assign false narrative to AI generated arts.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #478 on: 08/04/2023 16:04:22 »
Why bother? The real universe provides all the facts and tests you need to do anything.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #479 on: 08/04/2023 21:31:48 »
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Ut semper GIGO.

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