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Metallic quartz: how did nature create it?
« on: 26/11/2019 06:59:21 »
I was digging what I think are small garnets out a rock when I came across what looked like a metal crystal poking out of the rock so I used a diamond coated rotary file to remove as much of the rock as possible and came across this. What ever it is, it's very hard because it started destroying my diamond coated files.
How much heat and pressure would it take to fuse a mineral like quartz with about 7 different metal elements and what force on earth could have done this?????
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Re: Metallic quartz: how did nature create it?
« Reply #1 on: 26/11/2019 13:41:18 »
Nice spectra!

I don't think they indicate that the rock is metallic though... To me it looks like aluminosilicate rock, with iron, titanium, and some calcium. Presumably these are all oxides, silicates or aluminates--the photographs don't appear to show actual metallic deposits--it all looks like compounds to me.

Corundum (aluminum oxide) is particularly hard, and could be responsible for damaging your files (not harder than diamond, but probably harder than whatever matrix the diamond is imbedded in).

@Bass might be able to provide more useful insight!
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Re: Metallic quartz: how did nature create it?
« Reply #2 on: 26/11/2019 18:13:51 »
My first guess would have been magnetite or specular hematite (iron oxide minerals), but your spectral analysis with the  high titanium content suggests ilmenite may be present as well. Is the metallic mineral strongly or weakly magnetic?

Metallic minerals are commonly precipitated in veins. The metals are carried in superheated hot water solutions (hydrothermal) and can precipitate when pressures decrease enough to cause the water to flash to steam, or upon mixing with colder groundwaters.  Most rocks contain Alumino-silicate minerals (AlSiO), so those elements are commonly the most abundant- which I think is reflected in you spectral analysis.
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Re: Metallic quartz: how did nature create it?
« Reply #3 on: 30/11/2019 04:12:39 »
I totally agree that there shouldn't be actual metal in this rock but there is. Most of the stones found where this stone came from are littered with metal. There's been a lot of money and time invested in trying to understand why this is so.
Below are a couple of photos of stones with metal in them and there are many more.
With this stone I was curious as to how much heat and pressure would it take to fuse together quartz and metal.
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Re: Metallic quartz: how did nature create it?
« Reply #4 on: 30/11/2019 07:01:57 »


Apparently the honey-coloured bits are titanium (dioxide) ...


https://www.dakotamatrix.com/products/4012/rutile
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Re: Metallic quartz: how did nature create it?
« Reply #5 on: 30/11/2019 10:33:29 »
Quote from: ChiralSPO
Nice spectra!
What technique did you use to generate the spectra due to different elements?

Unfortunately, the 10 keV on the horizontal axis doesn't give me enough clues...
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Re: Metallic quartz: how did nature create it?
« Reply #6 on: 30/11/2019 11:25:19 »
Looks like x-ray fluorescence to me. There's a 5 keV calibration point on the axis.
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Re: Metallic quartz: how did nature create it?
« Reply #7 on: 02/12/2019 04:45:44 »
This was scanned using the edx analysis. We've had a number of other scans done on other stones such as s.e.m., xrf, xrd and raman and to date there has been over 23 different metal elements detected in several stones that were examined.
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Re: Metallic quartz: how did nature create it?
« Reply #8 on: 02/12/2019 13:36:19 »
Just to be sure, these metallic elements are incorporated as compounds, not their in their pure metallic state, yes?

To my knowledge, some metals, like cobalt, copper, silver, gold, and platinum can be found in their metallic state in veins or nuggets, or even sometimes as crystals. More reactive metals, like titanium, iron, and nickel are usually found in compounds, but can be found as native metals. Highly active metals, like aluminum, calcium, magnesium, sodium, and potassium are essentially almost found as compounds.

EDX analysis is a good way of quantifying concentrations of elements at the surface of materials, but doesn't say much about the chemical environments they are in. XPS can usually be used to distinguish between oxidation states of the each element.

These may be useful:
https://srdata.nist.gov/xps/main_search_menu.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_metal
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Re: Metallic quartz: how did nature create it?
« Reply #9 on: 05/12/2019 06:51:02 »
Quote from: chiralSPO on 02/12/2019 13:36:19
Just to be sure, these metallic elements are incorporated as compounds, not their in their pure metallic state, yes?
Not all as compounds, there is actual pure metal in some of these stones, I can not say how much is pure metal but a lot of metal can be seen with the naked eye in these stones and gemstones. I have broke apart  a number of stones and picked the metal particle out of the debris. We have two binders full of scan results and all scans were done at a major lab or university and I must add that everyone reacted the same as you, saying that this can't be right. All of the data and research appear to point to one term and that's "impactites" I've max out on file space for this post but if you'd like to see more photos, I will have to do so in another post.
Thanks for the links...all and any info is helpful.
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