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« on: 15/05/2007 16:42:02 »
I am wanting to know y Jolly can no longer post!  Jolly is a great contributor to this forum y then block him?
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« Reply #1 on: 15/05/2007 16:47:57 »
Quote from: jolly
Well this is just not fair I mean my wife leaves me...
Rosy wont come line dancing and yet I'm out of order to right a poem about it.... and getting all my feeling out...... Pain!..... Pain you have no-idea!!!

All my plates or scattered over the floor I stubbed my toe yesterday... No-one to iron me tie.... All alone in a flat of darkness.... The cheese and me are not talking now either.... Lost me job.... My hampsters dead... No cats to shoot at... thats pain!!!


Maybe because of that and other posts on, "please help" topic...

A great contributer and comdeian. Hope you see that we miss you jolly!
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« Reply #2 on: 15/05/2007 20:54:11 »
Tony their is a general message in the guest forum which may help you understand forum policy.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=7866.0

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« Reply #3 on: 15/05/2007 20:56:04 »
Is this a temporary thing or permenant?
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« Reply #4 on: 15/05/2007 21:09:39 »
Sorry Seany but did you not read the notice.
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« Reply #5 on: 15/05/2007 21:23:00 »
Ermm.. Which notice?
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« Reply #6 on: 15/05/2007 21:40:17 »

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« Reply #7 on: 15/05/2007 21:42:32 »
Oh.. I have read that one..
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« Reply #8 on: 16/05/2007 04:41:10 »
Thanks Michael and Rosy!

"Life is not measured by the number of Breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away."

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« Reply #9 on: 16/05/2007 05:59:58 »
me too!

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« Reply #10 on: 16/05/2007 13:13:06 »
So we'll get banned for expressing ourselves?
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« Reply #11 on: 16/05/2007 14:18:49 »
thats pretty crappy  i mean he lost his wife or somethin that wud tear u up to
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« Reply #12 on: 16/05/2007 15:44:20 »
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All my plates or scattered over the floor I stubbed my toe yesterday... No-one to iron me tie.... All alone in a flat of darkness.... The cheese and me are not talking now either.... Lost me job.... My hampsters dead... No cats to shoot at... thats pain!!!

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thats pretty crappy  i mean he lost his wife or somethin that wud tear u up to

He does seem to be taking a "why me?" approach to his sorrows, however.  he is also complaining about other transgressions against him, including the no cats to shoot (I love cats, by the way).

I am torn up by plenty of losses in my 16 years, including my father, but I have no complaints, I Just simply take it and continue on.
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« Reply #13 on: 16/05/2007 16:40:30 »
he may need help or something if he does then does that mean we should shun him? thats not hte way i wud go AT ALL!
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« Reply #14 on: 16/05/2007 16:43:38 »
I agree with anthony despite his garbled grammar and uncorrected typing mistakes, he needs support. Not to be isolated.

So we'll get banned for expressing ourselves?
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« Reply #15 on: 18/05/2007 07:29:56 »
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All my plates or scattered over the floor I stubbed my toe yesterday... No-one to iron me tie.... All alone in a flat of darkness.... The cheese and me are not talking now either.... Lost me job.... My hampsters dead... No cats to shoot at... thats pain!!!

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thats pretty crappy  i mean he lost his wife or somethin that wud tear u up to

He does seem to be taking a "why me?" approach to his sorrows, however.  he is also complaining about other transgressions against him, including the no cats to shoot (I love cats, by the way).

I am torn up by plenty of losses in my 16 years, including my father, but I have no complaints, I Just simply take it and continue on.


Some people can take it and continue on others shut down and have a lot of problems, not saying this is the case. Just that different people handle things differently. I don't think he hates cats as a matter of fact I he likes them and I think that was attempts at humor which I actually caught for a change, but then again I could be wrong!

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« Reply #16 on: 18/05/2007 13:06:08 »
I think your right Karen.


He was always trying to be funny, even in his pain....
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« Reply #17 on: 18/05/2007 15:43:21 »
hmmm...

even though he can be admittedly rude at times, he doesn't seem to be a mean guy.  he actually seems totally convinced that he is right, and thinks that we are all being either naive or rude when we don't believe what he tells us... poor guy.
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« Reply #18 on: 18/05/2007 15:56:14 »
I don't think of him as a poor guy!  I hope he does well and that he finds what he is looking for.

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« Reply #19 on: 18/05/2007 17:41:46 »
i think that it is still unfair that he is blocked
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« Reply #20 on: 18/05/2007 17:47:07 »
That is not something we can talk about. Sorry Tony!

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« Reply #21 on: 18/05/2007 18:19:26 »
As Karen has said, as moderators, we cannot talk about discussions we had in private over the matter; but I can assure you all that we did have substantial discussions before we took the action we did.

We took the action we did because that was the least worst of the actions that the moderators as a whole felt we could take, but we did not take the action lightly.

Could we have done something better - I cannot say.  No doubt there are always things that one can speculate about; but at the end of the day, we had to take a decision from amongst all the various options and opinions expressed, and that we did to the best of our imperfect human abilities.

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« Reply #22 on: 21/05/2007 13:20:39 »
..................................................i...suppose i can accept that another_someone....
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« Reply #23 on: 21/05/2007 16:26:34 »
well all i have to say is that i hope jolly (if he likes this site) will register under a diffrent name and get a new email address cause im still on his side hate me for idc
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« Reply #24 on: 21/05/2007 16:27:51 »
I'm pretty sure they'll block his IP.
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« Reply #25 on: 21/05/2007 16:42:57 »
I read this and from what I can gather "jolly" was kinda Jeckel and Hyde before he was banned.
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« Reply #26 on: 22/05/2007 12:32:03 »
I read this and from what I can gather "jolly" was kinda Jeckel and Hyde before he was banned.

I dont agree! I jeckel all the time and never hyde!

The reason for the ban was that I posted a quote that the person referenced didnt say! and therefore misrepresented a fellow member!

But that really is rubbish as it would have been impossible for him to have posted in response to my statement- was therefore a joke- hardly could have been taken seriously, unless your stupid.

Therefore to protect the stupid people, from themselves.... they banned me!


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« Reply #27 on: 22/05/2007 12:56:15 »
Well, jolly, it's always good to have you back! [8D]

hahahaha..a joker like always. [:o)]
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« Reply #28 on: 22/05/2007 16:25:13 »
Hey Jolly nice to see u bak again!!! uve been missed if u cant tell
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« Reply #29 on: 22/05/2007 16:26:26 »
did this topic in fact help the decison to let u bak on?
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« Reply #30 on: 22/05/2007 16:26:59 »
He seems nice.
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« Reply #31 on: 22/05/2007 17:20:28 »
did this topic in fact help the decison to let u bak on?

The answer to that is NO - the original ban was only for a week, and that week was up.  It was never a permanent ban.

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« Reply #32 on: 22/05/2007 17:56:17 »
oh! well no1 told me that
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« Reply #33 on: 22/05/2007 22:16:14 »
No it was for one week! They did say in one e-mail that they wanted or some wanted a full ban; but agreed that- `the stupid people should only be saved from themselves, for a week!!!!!`

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« Reply #34 on: 22/05/2007 22:30:17 »
I read this and from what I can gather "jolly" was kinda Jeckel and Hyde before he was banned.

I dont agree! I jeckel all the time and never hyde!

The reason for the ban was that I posted a quote that the person referenced didnt say! and therefore misrepresented a fellow member!

But that really is rubbish as it would have been impossible for him to have posted in response to my statement- was therefore a joke- hardly could have been taken seriously, unless your stupid.

Therefore to protect the stupid people, from themselves.... they banned me!



Well, from my persective, I can't tell if what you speak are jokes or actual serious statements. Try make it more obvious.
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« Reply #35 on: 22/05/2007 23:42:01 »
seany what are you asking me to do? dumb down by the sounds of it! If you dont get something maybe your not ready to, I will not add an extra paragraph to my jokes, so even mr bean understands me!


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« Reply #36 on: 23/05/2007 02:16:36 »
seany what are you asking me to do? dumb down by the sounds of it! If you dont get something maybe your not ready to, I will not add an extra paragraph to my jokes, so even mr bean understands me!

Jolly,

I have known people like you before, people who can be lovely in person, and they do have a good sense of humour, but when they are talking face to face with someone, you can tell by their body language how to read what they are saying.  The trouble is when you are limited to a text medium, you lose the benefits of body language and vocal intonation, and this can lead to horrible misunderstandings, and people thinking you are being nasty when that is not what you intend to be.  Worse than that, they think you are being nasty, and respond negatively to you, and then you feel you are being unfairly attacked and behave defensively in consequence.

It is not about dumbing down, it is about being more careful about the language you use lest it be misunderstood in the absence of any non-verbal cues.  People are not mind readers, and it is unfair to expect them to be.

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« Reply #37 on: 23/05/2007 13:09:10 »
I can read minds! I'm an alien.
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« Reply #38 on: 23/05/2007 14:48:03 »
hey hey hey jolly calm down jeez ur not the smartest one here man calm down look u even have ur own topic calm down
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« Reply #39 on: 23/05/2007 15:44:42 »
I can read minds! I'm an alien.

that kind of text and smilies are a great way to convey jokes.

ya poop face! [;D][;)][;D]
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« Reply #40 on: 24/05/2007 09:44:51 »
seany what are you asking me to do? dumb down by the sounds of it! If you dont get something maybe your not ready to, I will not add an extra paragraph to my jokes, so even mr bean understands me!

Jolly,

I have known people like you before, people who can be lovely in person, and they do have a good sense of humour, but when they are talking face to face with someone, you can tell by their body language how to read what they are saying.  The trouble is when you are limited to a text medium, you lose the benefits of body language and vocal intonation, and this can lead to horrible misunderstandings, and people thinking you are being nasty when that is not what you intend to be.  Worse than that, they think you are being nasty, and respond negatively to you, and then you feel you are being unfairly attacked and behave defensively in consequence.

Well there`s an issue there that people should responed in that way, they should have more self control, most certainly when they dont understand something, I would recomend that people in the situation take a while and ponder, rather that agressivly responding as they have in the past!

It is not about dumbing down, it is about being more careful about the language you use lest it be misunderstood in the absence of any non-verbal cues.  People are not mind readers, and it is unfair to expect them to be.

I can except that clearly when you consider that communication is about 80% non verbal cues, that some may lose the meaning but that really is down to each individual, some do get it and some dont! and considering that you never know which person will read it or how each person will take it; I would to a degree consider it a dumming down process to start pandering to the people that dont get it!

I mean no harm in what I post, though much of it will be contencious to some; but that really is down to what they believe, feel and consider to be the truth, reality, right or wrong with a given situation or topic!

It ultimately rests with the individual in question to recieve me as they choose to; I write- you read and interpret as you choose to!

Anyone who recieves me with anger I would worry about, as I denotes hate, fear, and closed mindedness!

Why is in that situation what I say so upsetting, generally it would be because I attack or question things in a way others are scared to, If your belifes are that flimsy, What can I say?

I believe humanity is here to serve itself, each person should serve each other person, from a position of love (I mean by that).


revelations: "He will come in the form of a servant"- The servant King, surely to show each person should work in everyone elses interest, and by proxy their own!

"DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WISH DONE UNTO YOU" That is the universal message of all religions!

I generally dont mind being attacked or laughted at; I am not insecure in anyway, laught at me, reject me, put me down, I still do and always will care about everyone! and work in that vain!

Ultimately its your choice- when and how you judge something, I think many should remember that, Everyone brings baggage to the table!
   
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« Reply #41 on: 24/05/2007 12:54:52 »
Wow nice post jolly. You must be used to this. The ending paragraphs are the best though.


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« Reply #42 on: 24/05/2007 14:33:33 »
Well there`s an issue there that people should responed in that way, they should have more self control, most certainly when they dont understand something, I would recomend that people in the situation take a while and ponder, rather that agressivly responding as they have in the past!


Don't you think that self control is a two way thing.  If you care about other people, don't you think it is also incumbent upon you to sometimes show some self control and not respond to them in kind.

You say that some people get it, and some don't.  This is true, but this is not down to the intelligent one's getting it, and the dumb one's don't; but it is down to what is the background they come from, and what norms they have in their own background.  It does not make them stupid if they come with a different set of norms and a different set of expectations, but if you are clever, then you will make allowances for the inevitably wide range of backgrounds that the people on a forum like this do come from.  This is not dumbing down at all, it is courtesy and a desire not to cause others unnecessary pain.

It is all very well saying (as I know you do say in your signature) that "you do it to yourselves", but that is shirking your own responsibility in the world.  You say that you care about people, and I believe that you do, so caring also means taking responsibility (even beyond the minimum that you think is your own fault), and not merely shrugging your shoulders and saying that they did it to themselves.

I mean no harm in what I post, though much of it will be contencious to some; but that really is down to what they believe, feel and consider to be the truth, reality, right or wrong with a given situation or topic!

I know you mean no harm, but as you admit (and I don't think there is anything wrong with that, within reason) you like to push the limits sometimes; but if you are taking the initiative in pushing the boundary, then you have to take responsibility when there is a risk of people getting hurt by that, and you have to be ready to take whatever action is necessary to remove the harm to others, and to understand where hurt might be done.  Too often you have caused hurt, and then simply claimed you have done nothing wrong if you admit that you are pushing the boundaries, then you are admitting that there are times you are risking crossing that boundary it would be humanly impossible to get too close to the boundary without sometimes crossing it.

It ultimately rests with the individual in question to recieve me as they choose to; I write- you read and interpret as you choose to!

No, ultimately it rests with you to ensure that what you say has the desired effect, and if that intended effect is that others should not be hurt by what you say, then that is indeed your responsibility, not theirs.

If you don't care about what another hears when you talk to them, then why talk to them at all.  Is not the point of communication that you wish to convey to another an idea that you have in your mind, and if the words you use fail to properly convey the idea you have, does it really make sense to say it does not matter to you what idea they have received from your words?
If a speaker fails to convey his ideas, then it is the speakers fault.  If a listener is listening in on a conversation that he was not intended to hear, and misunderstands it, then I agree, that is the listeners fault, because the speaker was not trying to convey an idea to him; but if you are indeed speaking to that listener, then it is your responsibility to use a language that will be understood by the listener.  To do otherwise is rather like the English tourist who goes to a foreign land, and when the natives fail to understand what he says, he simply shouts louder in the nave assumption that they must be either deaf or stupid, when the truth of the matter is that he is being stupid in not trying to learn the language of the natives.
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« Reply #43 on: 24/05/2007 16:21:55 »
Jolly u..u..yea...u just need to calm down i may b starting to regret this topic..:(
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« Reply #44 on: 24/05/2007 16:24:45 »
No more arguing, please?
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« Reply #45 on: 24/05/2007 16:46:49 »
Jolly u..u..yea...u just need to calm down i may b starting to regret this topic..:(

It is your choice, but if you so desire, we can remove the topic for you - but I leave that in your hands.

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« Reply #46 on: 24/05/2007 16:50:26 »
Darn, i'll lose posts if you do that.
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« Reply #47 on: 24/05/2007 16:59:24 »
Darn, i'll lose posts if you do that.

I'm sure you'll make it up soon enough - there's lots else to talk about too.

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« Reply #48 on: 25/05/2007 13:16:52 »
Like left hands. [;)]
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« Reply #49 on: 25/05/2007 16:05:12 »
And there was me wondering what I had missed  [;)]
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