[evan_au]

We needed the EUA in April.  This is a national emergency

The only EUA you would have got in the UK would have been for medications like steroids, which have been successfully used in the past to damp down immune system overreactions.
- Now a steroid (eg Dexamethasone) is recommended by WHO as part of "best practice" for severely ill COVID-19 patients.

If you are in the US, you could have got an EUA for Hydoxychloroquine - until the science caught up with the politicians, and it was found to be useless; the EUA was withdrawn.
- Politicians pretending to give medical advice is not a good look
- And in the meantime, there was at least 1 death - someone listened to the politicians and drank fish tank cleaner containing chloroquine

See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-chloroquine-poisoning-death/

[alancalverd]

FYI: Lyrics to 20/20 by George Benson:

Haven't seen him for years. In fact until he started singing, I wondered why you'd posted an old video of my US business partner. Man, did we have fun in the old days!

[Petrochemicals]

- Politicians pretending to give medical advice is not a good look
- And in the meantime, there was at least 1 death - someone listened to the politicians and drank fish tank cleaner containing chloroquine

See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-chloroquine-poisoning-death/

But they give advice to panic the population and make it out to be a world ending pandemic. We have painted our societies into a corner with life extending treatment, not that you should throw among others my parents onto the bonfire, but  complete servitude to one smaller area of the populace and the fixation on death is not healthy.

[Bored chemist]

But they give advice to panic the population

Petrochemicals thinks that the people were panicked.
I think they weren't.
Here is the record of what they actually did.
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Do they seem to be in a panic?

The idea that the government was trying to panic people is absurd at every level.
The most obvious problem is that panicky people pay less tax.

[alancalverd]

the fixation on death is not healthy.

...said the parachute instructor. "So we won't bother with the packing lesson. Let's just jump out and see who guessed right."

[Petrochemicals]

the fixation on death is not healthy.

...said the parachute instructor. "So we won't bother with the packing lesson. Let's just jump out and see who guessed right."

Or the attention seeking politician forgetting to pull the cord

[acsinuk]

In retrospect we can see that if say covid 21 arrives we deal with it immediately.  No lockdowns. First develop a reasonable vaccine that survives animal tests quickly, then EUA and offer to the medical volunteers in the over 80's group and not young working age people until it has been proved safe by the retired volunteers.  Formal medical approval can wait until later.

[Bored chemist]

No lockdowns.

Best case: many people die.

Formal medical approval can wait until later.

Worst case : even more people die.

[alancalverd]

Life is so simple.

All that is required is a vaccine that can be developed in zero time against a virus you have never seen before, a cohort of idiots who don't care if its effects are worse than the disease, and the capacity to manufacture and distribute it in vast quantities without machinery or raw materials in an ethics-free world.

This can of course be done by backing the winner of a race that hasn't begun (because the runners haven't been named) , with an infinite amount of money.

And it might work, or not. Problem is that if it doesn't work, you have no resources left to do anything else. So it's a good idea to plant your second crop of magic money trees now.

Quarantine works every time and costs nothing if you do it quickly and thoroughly.

[alancalverd]

First develop a reasonable vaccine

My mum used to quote Mrs Beeton: "First, catch your rabbit...."

[alancalverd]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/arrests-outside-harrods-in-london-as-shoppers-return-after-lockdown-5srqx6gkl

The only panic seems to be that Baby Jesus will be crucified if we don't spend enough money before the winter solstice. But what does a few lives matter if it helps to get the Chinese economy working again?

[acsinuk]

Well, most younger people are totally fed up and rebelling about being restricted in such draconian ways.  But, they should remember to wear their masks in public to protect older people even outside Harrods. They used to sing along with carols.
Some few of the one hundred thousand NHS staff and supporters reacted badly to the vaccine but survived, so it would appear to me that the vaccine is safe and the next batch should be used principally in the high R areas.  It is a voluntary vaccination so some people can refuse it,  if they would prefer to wait and risk it.   

[alancalverd]

it would appear to me that the vaccine is safe

That's good to know. Next time we'll do away with animal tests and early phase trials, make up a commercial batch of anything we fancy, vaccinate a million people, and ask your opinion.

As you know what "most younger people" think, you must be a great asset to many industries.

Not sure I understood the bit about "used to sing..." Are you implying that they have stopped doing it, or that they were born knowing the words? 

[Bored chemist]

Well, most younger people

As I understand it, you are at an age where "younger people" means "almost everybody", adn I think you are mistaken in thinking they are all fed up.

[acsinuk]

The problem with testing is it misleads statisticians into thinking things are  getting worse when in fact they are getting better..  The day we test everyone and find they are all infected is the day we have herd immunity and covid19 is history.. 
Best to just stop testing and rely on the NHS to use their Nightingale beds up before locking down again.

[alancalverd]

The day we find everyone is infected is the day we can look forward to having 13,000,000 patients hospitalised with half destined for permanent disability, and 2,500,000  excess deaths within 3 months.

The remaining  20,000,000 people of working age will be fully occupied nursing or burying the rest.

The Blessed Economy will suffer!

[Bored chemist]

The day we test everyone and find they are all infected is the day we have herd immunity

No it isn't.
Did you mean we test everyone and we find that they had been infected in the past, but were no longer infected?

That day is pretty unlikely to come.

[Petrochemicals]

The day we find everyone is infected is the day we can look forward to having 13,000,000 patients hospitalised with half destined for permanent disability, and 2,500,000  excess deaths within 3 months.

The remaining  20,000,000 people of working age will be fully occupied nursing or burying the rest.

The Blessed Economy will suffer!

Suicides cancer abuse drug usage mental health antisocial ism poverty heart attacks strokes will do great though. China can produce 300M doses per year, it will be 2026 before the whole populace is protected.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-55212787

[acsinuk]

The peoples with damaged mental health is now exceeding those who are dying fromthe virus.  So take the bull by the horns and ease restrictions but prioritise the vaccine injections in the areas with R rates over 1. Simple uncomplicated and obvious.

[Bored chemist]

The peoples with damaged mental health is now exceeding those who are dying fromthe virus.  So take the bull by the horns and ease restrictions but prioritise the vaccine injections in the areas with R rates over 1. Simple uncomplicated and obvious.

" the areas with R rates over 1"
That's most of the UK. You can hardly "prioritise everywhere".
Also, you would need to measure R; you do that by testing.
And here's your view on testing

Best to just stop testing

And also , the point of the restrictions is to reduce R.
So...

So take the bull by the horns and ease restrictions

would lead to R (along with cases and deaths) skyrocketing.

Simple uncomplicated and obvious.

And hopelessly, utterly wrong.

Why do you keep posting this sort of stuff?