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Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/10/2020 15:02:32It's not that you did the maths wrong. You did the wrong maths.As you claim that I have used the wrong math, then lease offer the correct math.So, please introduce the correct math (based on your understanding) for our chance to be at a maximal distance of 12 BLY from the edge in a Universe with a radius of only 46 BLY.

It's not that you did the maths wrong. You did the wrong maths.

The Black body radiation in the CMB is a clear indication that our Universe is Infinite in its size. Therefore, it also must be infinite in its age.

QuoteQuote from: Dave Lev on Today at 16:12:26Quote from: Bored chemist on Today at 15:02:32It's not that you did the maths wrong. You did the wrong maths.As you claim that I have used the wrong math, then please offer the correct math.So, please introduce the correct math (based on your understanding) for our chance to be at a maximal distance of 12 BLY from the edge in a Universe with a radius of only 46 BLY.Sure the correct maths is this"By inspection; not zero".

Quote from: Dave Lev on Today at 16:12:26Quote from: Bored chemist on Today at 15:02:32It's not that you did the maths wrong. You did the wrong maths.As you claim that I have used the wrong math, then please offer the correct math.So, please introduce the correct math (based on your understanding) for our chance to be at a maximal distance of 12 BLY from the edge in a Universe with a radius of only 46 BLY.

This thread is meant to be about "Theory D" so you should answer questions about that- rather than talking about BBT (which you plainly don't understand).You saidQuote from: Dave Lev on 18/03/2020 19:21:42The Black body radiation in the CMB is a clear indication that our Universe is Infinite in its size. Therefore, it also must be infinite in its age.but you know it is wrong. I showed that you can have a finite universe with a finite age and which you accepted also could have the same CMBR.So, as I asked before, are you wrong, or are you wrong?

This thread is meant to be about "Theory D" so you should answer questions about that- rather than talking about BBT (which you plainly don't understand).

the correct maths is this "By inspection; not zero".

Theory D is just a name.

As a person that claims for deep knowledge in science, you must have some understanding in basic statistic math.If you were teacher in elementary school, and question was as follow:"Let's assume that you are located in a ball sphere shape with a radius of 46m.What is the chance to be located at a maximal distance of 12 m from the edge of the sphere."It is very clear to me that you would expect to get an answer that the chance for that is over than 70%.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/10/2020 17:19:15This thread is meant to be about "Theory D" so you should answer questions about that- rather than talking about BBT (which you plainly don't understand).You saidQuote from: Dave Lev on 18/03/2020 19:21:42The Black body radiation in the CMB is a clear indication that our Universe is Infinite in its size. Therefore, it also must be infinite in its age.but you know it is wrong. I showed that you can have a finite universe with a finite age and which you accepted also could have the same CMBR.So, as I asked before, are you wrong, or are you wrong?

How is "edge of the observable Universe" supposed to make any sense in the first place?

Dave Lev is as usual arguing against his own misconceptions, not current science.

(Dave Lev, you never answered my question about whether you thought gravity assist ("slingshot") was literally "free".)

magine that the teacher said that he thought the answer was zero.

You are saying it's got a 30% chance of happening and so it is impossible.

It is very clear that you are not qualify for been teacher.

Would you kindly give an example.

Let me remind you:Theory D doesn't break any physical law.

Therefore, I agree that 30% is higher than zero,

So, once againQuote from: Bored chemist on 26/10/2020 20:07:04Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/10/2020 17:19:15This thread is meant to be about "Theory D" so you should answer questions about that- rather than talking about BBT (which you plainly don't understand).You saidQuote from: Dave Lev on 18/03/2020 19:21:42The Black body radiation in the CMB is a clear indication that our Universe is Infinite in its size. Therefore, it also must be infinite in its age.but you know it is wrong. I showed that you can have a finite universe with a finite age and which you accepted also could have the same CMBR.So, as I asked before, are you wrong, or are you wrong?

Let's assume that we are located near the edge of the Universe. What should we see?Don't you agree that we would clearly see that in one side the sky is full with galaxies while in the other it is almost empty?

Whatever the topology and size of the Universe, current thinking is that it has no edge. In short, it's either infinite, or finite but unbounded. I expect you won't like that but that's a different issue.

In short, it's either infinite

or finite but unbounded

So you claim that the "current thinking" is that the Universe is unbounded.

The meaning of unbounded is unlimited.

So, if I understand you correctly...

How could you even consider that I wouldn't like it?

How a Universe can be finite but unbounded or unlimited?Based on Google translate the meaning of finite is "limited". Not unlimited but Limited!!!

I expect you won't like that

If you want it to be taken seriously, you need to address thisQuote from: Bored chemist on 27/10/2020 08:52:09So, once againQuote from: Bored chemist on 26/10/2020 20:07:04Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/10/2020 17:19:15This thread is meant to be about "Theory D" so you should answer questions about that- rather than talking about BBT (which you plainly don't understand).You saidQuote from: Dave Lev on 18/03/2020 19:21:42The Black body radiation in the CMB is a clear indication that our Universe is Infinite in its size. Therefore, it also must be infinite in its age.but you know it is wrong. I showed that you can have a finite universe with a finite age and which you accepted also could have the same CMBR.So, as I asked before, are you wrong, or are you wrong?

How a Universe can be finite but unbounded or unlimited?

Quote from: Dave Lev on 29/10/2020 15:37:57How a Universe can be finite but unbounded or unlimited?If you had done your homework, you would know this.But you didn't even bother to find out what the current model of the universe is before claiming to have proved that it is wrong.

Don't know how you find the energy Bored chemist,

Yep. Dave Lev proved my point - he doesn't even know the science he claims is wrong!

current thinking is that it has no edge. In short, it's either infinite, or finite but unbounded.

Quote from: pzkpfw on 29/10/2020 18:57:11Yep. Dave Lev proved my point - he doesn't even know the science he claims is wrong!You have just proved that you can't even backup your own message.Why do you suddenly contradicts yourself?What was your intention when you have stated that the Universe is either infinite or finite but unbounded?Quote from: pzkpfw on 28/10/2020 22:52:30 current thinking is that it has no edge. In short, it's either infinite, or finite but unbounded.Could it be that based on your personal approach - the real meaning of what you say is the opposite of what you say?So, what was your intention when you have stated that the Universe is "either infinite or finite but unbounded"?

Have you done your homework yet?What does "finite but unbounded" mean?Can you give an example?

There is no edge to the Universe

I was mostly interested in pointing out that you don't know the science you are arguing against. (You pick and choose what science you accept, and build long chains of reasoning based on your own ideas, but portrayed as though they are obvious and accepted.)

I'm not interested in discussing the size or shape of the Universe with you. I've seen that's pointless.

No; he didn't.

No, it isn't.

No, you don't.

A combination of monumental bloodymindedness, and the desire to see that nonsense doesn't get the last word on science sites.

...First you have stated that the Universe is "either infinite, or finite but unbounded":Quote from: pzkpfw on 28/10/2020 22:52:30 current thinking is that it has no edge. In short, it's either infinite, or finite but unbounded.Now you claim that the Universe has no edge:Quote from: pzkpfw on 29/10/2020 20:20:27There is no edge to the Universe...