[duffyd]

He said "I and the father are one" and he blasted through the barriers of tradition by healing people on holy days. They murdered Him because HE healed people on the wrong day of the week.

[duffyd]

We are as blind today as His enemies were 2 thousand years ago. Hello!!! Anybody thinking out there? They murdered HIM because they caught Him performing genuine miracles of healing people's bodies on the wrong day.

We are not talking about some conniving little puke, like that little pixie ben hinn here folks. This Guy couldn't afford food. He had to make it out of nothing. HE was all man. HE had an impossible mission and no one was going to stop him no matter what. He and the Baptist were real Men. They had character, real, genuine, masculine spines of steel. You go get crucified for the people who hate your guts. Try that on for size. That's not preaching. It is explaining Who we're are dealing with here folks. This wasn't some half-baked scheme, a get rich quick opportunity that didn't pan out. There were tornadic, dark forces behind the scenes warring against each other and HIS death was supposed to be the final victory.
It was the beginning.

[duffyd]

It is funny. The very idea that GOD is throws some into terrible tailspins. GOD is not the most far removed topic given the universe and intelligent life on this planet. It only makes sense to consider that Someone just may have created all this. For His Son to make a brief appearance on this planet seems pretty fantastic, but nevertheless, not an impossibility. It is not outside the realm of possibility that something like that could happen. Most people believe in an afterlife. Most people believe Life exists elsewhere in the universe. Tons of us believe in UFOs. This JESUS guy just happened to claim HE was GOD's son. People hung out with Him, affirmed His divinity and His mission and were so taken by the guy that they couldn't shut up.
The N.T. is filled with energy and hope and amazement. They couldn't get over what they had witnessed. If you read the N.T. you can't help but sense their genuineness, the fantastic events they were a part of.

[Bored chemist]

Stick with the experts. Don't listen to "others" unless they have training.

OK, how good is your Aramaic?
Should we stop listening to you at this point?

HE had an impossible mission and no one was going to stop him no matter what.

Either he was going to do it, or it was impossible.
Pick one.

Tons of us believe in UFOs.

peak for yourself (assuming you are using it in the colloquial sense).

[alancalverd]

Stick with the experts. Don't listen to "others" unless they have training.

My trainers were a working vicar, a former bishop and a former chief rabbi. Who taught you? 

And for what it's worth, like most aviators, I've seen a few flying objects I couldn't identify. Not sure what they had to do with the bible, and as they were outside controlled airspace and not a hazard, I didn't investigate further. So what?

[alancalverd]

They murdered Him because HE healed people on the wrong day of the week.

No. The Romans murdered Jesus. They weren't particularly concerned about the Jewish sabbath, and healing the sick is a mitzvah any day of the week.

[duffyd]

mitzvah

You are remarkably adept at missing the point, whatever that point might be. One might suspect intentionality on your part. No, the Romans cooperated with the Pharisees because they believed them when they told them that little half-naked nobody was a threat to Rome, just as they conspired and hoped they would. (He was a threat to people like you who run away from Reality, just like people have run from HIM since He walked on the earth HE made.) They murdered an innocent man (notice how few people raise this point. HE was an innocent man, unfairly tried for nothing criminal. Non-believers should object to the way HE was mistreated because after all HE was a human being, a real person, who deserved a measure of justice, particularly when HE is tried by the powers that be who boasted of their piety, their emphasis on looking good before the masses.) because HE was a threat, not to any government--Christians on the whole are wonderful citizens. HE threatened the foundation upon which they built a diametrically opposed religious Machine, designed to prevent GOD and the earth's meek from being friends. Remember those meek people, the ones God loves to hang with, the salt of the earth types?

Try to hear the moaning, the cries, the painful sounds that most people know so well, you know, the piercing silent throbbing of all the poor slobs who are too unimportant for the well, who don't need a doctor. Those are the people who will see HIM and will share in the abundance of the riches to come.

[duffyd]

Stick with the experts. Don't listen to "others" unless they have training.

My trainers were a working vicar, a former bishop and a former chief rabbi. Who taught you? 

And for what it's worth, like most aviators, I've seen a few flying objects I couldn't identify. Not sure what they had to do with the bible, and as they were outside controlled airspace and not a hazard, I didn't investigate further. So what?

Your trainers are as blind as you. Try, try to keep this in mind: they plotted to execute this cat because HE healed the sick on the Sabbath. Just like you, their eyes were blind. HE HEALED THE SICK, on holy days--they had to murder HIM.

[Bored chemist]

Remember those meek people, the ones God loves to hang with, the salt of the earth types?

The ones suffering and dying painfully, in droves- "because of God's love".
Yep, I remember them.
Best ever evidence against any God worthy of any praise.

[Bored chemist]

Your trainers are as blind as you.

Funny how everyone- even the experts- are blind, and only you can see.

[alancalverd]

They murdered an innocent man because HE was a threat, not to any government--Christians on the whole are wonderful citizens.

Jesus was not a Christian. Unlike the scum who ran the Inquisition. Or those that fiddle with choirboys, burn witches, or murder other Christians for being other. Or those who protect the miscreants. 

Good deeds do not require justification. People on the whole are  reasonably good citizens. Religion provides a bogus excuse for the inexcusable.

[duffyd]

Jesus was not a Christian. Unlike the scum who ran the Inquisition. Or those that fiddle with choirboys, burn witches, or murder other Christians for being other. Or those who protect the miscreants. 

Why do you call the people who did those things Christians? Is there something wrong with you?

[duffyd]

Goo

Good deeds do not require justification. People on the whole are  reasonably good citizens. Religion provides a bogus excuse for the inexcusable.

? What are you talking about? 

They murdered Christ for which bad deeds? You are a shifty, sneaky one. Science proves you are intentionally doing what you can to run away from HIM. Science cannot tell you why you are here, what happens to you when you die (which is oh so near for all of us) what "meaning" is and how to find it. But, it can figure out that you are running away, full speed, constantly, from the questions/issues staring you in the face. Why do you run? Science would say "fear."

[duffyd]

No. The Romans murdered Jesus. They weren't particularly concerned about the Jewish sabbath, and healing the sick is a mitzvah any day of the week.

The Romans had no interest in this nobody. HE was no threat to them. The Pharisees wanted HIM dead and gone so they manipulated Pilate into killing HIM. He tried to release the guy, for Pete's sake. HE is a threat to everyone who refuses to examine HIM carefully. HE IS GOD. It is impossible to get away from HIM. But, we try like mad; can't be done. That's why you throw out silliness as you try to rationalize HIM away.

That's what people do. We don't want GOD to screw up our lives and make us miserable. So, we fight HIM. We fight yielding our lives to HIM. We would like to be able to have some fun once in a while. We would like to achieve some things. HE wants those things for us more than we do, but we don't believe it.

[Bored chemist]

Why do you call the people who did those things Christians? Is there something wrong with you?

Because they believe in Christ. (and, in the case of the witch burners, they were following the explicit teaching of the Christian  Bible)

It's not us with whom there's something wrong.
There's something wrong with people who think that "so and so, must be alright- he's a man of God", when in fact, so and so , is a child abuser.

No better smokescreen than God.
And, once you teach people that facts are not important, then lies  become so much easier.

[duffyd]

I'm told by those who know that there's little difference between "I am" and "mine is" in Aramaic. "Mine is the Way, the Truth and the Life" makes sense - I guess every charismatic leader and vegetarian has said it sometime. But "I am the Way...." is drivel in any language.

Wrong. Check with the scholars who are responsible for the words in the RSV, the NRSV, the NIV, the Amplified Version, the NAS, the KJV, the NKJV, etc. They disagree with them.

[Bored chemist]

Science proves you are intentionally doing what you can to run away from HIM.

Bollocks.

[Bored chemist]

Check with the scholars who are responsible for the words in the RSV, the NRSV, the NIV, the Amplified Version, the NAS, the KJV, the NKJV, etc.

Mainly dead.

[duffyd]

Don't judge books by their covers. If some realtor tells you she's got property in Florida guaranteed to be worth 10 times what she's selling it for, double check that. People can say anything. If someone says he's a follower of Christ, and he likes diddling little boys, that's a pretty good sign he's a lying douchebag.  Don't be a moron.

[Bored chemist]

If some realtor tells you she's got property in Florida guaranteed to be worth 10 times what she's selling it for, double check that.

And if a preacher is telling you he has the keys to heaven,  you should probably treat them the same way.

But, somehow, you suspended common sense, and believed them

People can say anything. If someone says he's a follower of Christ,

I didn't say he was a follower of Christ (though the witch burners were).
I said he was a believer in Christ. Only a moron would mistake those ideas for eachother.
He may well be one of the Catholic Christians who think it's OK to abuse children as long as they apologise to their invisible friend afterwards.

If someone says he's a follower of Christ, and he likes diddling little boys, that's a pretty good sign he's a lying douchebag.

Sadly, it seems you don't need the middle part of that for the statement to be true far too often
"If someone says he's a follower of Christ, and he likes diddling little boys, that's a pretty good sign he's a lying douchebag.".

Of course, your failure to notice this aspect is worrying
If someone says he's a follower of Christ, and he likes diddling little boys, that's a pretty good sign he's a lying douchebag.