[duffyd]

GOD didn't force Lucifer to hate HIM. Lucifer made a decision. As one of GOD's most exquisite creatures, living in paradise, he, nevertheless, chose to hate his GOD and initiated a rebellion. All of this happened long ago. We are offered merely a brief glimpse of that cataclysm that shook the universe as he was driven like lightning from GOD's presence.

[duffyd]

Of course, mankind will say how silly to think of GOD creating beings. How ridiculous to think GOD made angels capable of deciding what they will do. As if GOD would do things like that.
And they close their eyes to the creation we know and experience daily.

[Europan Ocean]

If you don't rationalize, turn to God in need, and ask for life, you may get what you need. A healing or repentance leading to forgiveness and a clear conscience. Things only the Bible's NT offers. Then you read about what you gained and other things to do. You may become disciplined, study, and become a scientist who personally knows Jesus is alive and present. It effects how one interprets the Bible. You reasonably do not have to believe the world was literally made in six days. The book of Genesis does not present itself as science. Creation science is a short fall from good interpretation, and is not really science.

[Petrochemicals]

 

I answered this thread honestly, I think you should honestly edit the title to some thing like, "why does duffy antagonise for god"

[Bored chemist]

GOD didn't force Lucifer to hate HIM. Lucifer made a decision.

God made Lucifer, knowing what would happen.
This is a bit like the "I didn't kill him; the bullet did" argument.
You are responsible for your indirect actions as well as your direct ones.

[Bored chemist]

They won't experiment. "Christ, please, if You exist, show me. I want to know with all my heart. I will do anything, anything You ask of me. I am sincere LORD. I have to know if You are real! Please show me."

These scientists are incapable of praying that prayer, sincerely.

That's just silly.
Most of us, at least , were "raised " as believers. Our parents believed and we deserted the faith.
But, in most cases, we will have, in our younger days, have prayed.
And, do you know what happened?
Nothing. Not  a spriritual sausage.

So, in reality, everybody has done the experiment you talk of.
And it fails.

You need to face that reality. Many people pray for God's help and He just doesn't.

[alancalverd]

It's the "interpretation" bit that invokes contempt. A famous objection to university courses in English literature was "so much bad English has been written about good English". Much the same with Christianity.

How much would you pay for a bowdlerised sketch of a third-hand copy of a painting by an unknown artist of an event that he did not witness? Not a lot, I suspect. So why write pages of nonsense about a wholly unjustified interpretation of an edited collection of quasi-historical and bizarrely mystical texts?

At face value the bible contains some interesting snippets of the history and poetry of the Jews up to about 2000 years ago, with possibly too much emphasis (much of it tediously repeated and over-embellished) about Rabbi Jesus of Nazareth. There's plenty more, some in the Dead Sea Scrolls and more recently in the Encyclopaedia Judaica. 

Little point in anyone else reading it as we don't accept converts easily, nor do we require a detailed knowledge of it - just a broad understanding of the underlying philosophy and acceptance of the rules of behavior. And don't kneel.   

[Europan Ocean]

GOD didn't force Lucifer to hate HIM. Lucifer made a decision.

God made Lucifer, knowing what would happen.
This is a bit like the "I didn't kill him; the bullet did" argument.
You are responsible for your indirect actions as well as your direct ones.

God is possibly in the wrong with some of our sensitivities for wanting free willing servants of great power. But I am sure He looked into the future possibilities and picked a fall, with the least damage done to God and the faithful. And the minimum loss of any free willing creatures. IMHO.

[Europan Ocean]

It's the "interpretation" bit that invokes contempt. A famous objection to university courses in English literature was "so much bad English has been written about good English". Much the same with Christianity.

How much would you pay for a bowdlerised sketch of a third-hand copy of a painting by an unknown artist of an event that he did not witness? Not a lot, I suspect. So why write pages of nonsense about a wholly unjustified interpretation of an edited collection of quasi-historical and bizarrely mystical texts?

At face value the bible contains some interesting snippets of the history and poetry of the Jews up to about 2000 years ago, with possibly too much emphasis (much of it tediously repeated and over-embellished) about Rabbi Jesus of Nazareth. There's plenty more, some in the Dead Sea Scrolls and more recently in the Encyclopaedia Judaica. 

Little point in anyone else reading it as we don't accept converts easily, nor do we require a detailed knowledge of it - just a broad understanding of the underlying philosophy and acceptance of the rules of behavior. And don't kneel.   

Interpretation, by the word alone or by sight too? It is a crux matter in these threads. There is the matter of experiencing Jesus, about which a book was written some years ago. God's presence is meant to teach us scripture. Looking for love.  The creation account was I believe partly oral tradition and partly Moses' tradition, not intended as science.

[duffyd]

I answered this thread honestly, I think you should honestly edit the title to some thing like, "why does duffy antagonise for god"

Kerosene, I never meant to force you to cling to every word I write. I realize you and others can't help themselves but I really don't try to be so irresistible. Maybe you should seek professional help.

[duffyd]

It's the "interpretation" bit that invokes contempt. A famous objection to university courses in English literature was "so much bad English has been written about good English". Much the same with Christianity.

How much would you pay for a bowdlerised sketch of a third-hand copy of a painting by an unknown artist of an event that he did not witness? Not a lot, I suspect. So why write pages of nonsense about a wholly unjustified interpretation of an edited collection of quasi-historical and bizarrely mystical texts?

At face value the bible contains some interesting snippets of the history and poetry of the Jews up to about 2000 years ago, with possibly too much emphasis (much of it tediously repeated and over-embellished) about Rabbi Jesus of Nazareth. There's plenty more, some in the Dead Sea Scrolls and more recently in the Encyclopaedia Judaica. 

Little point in anyone else reading it as we don't accept converts easily, nor do we require a detailed knowledge of it - just a broad understanding of the underlying philosophy and acceptance of the rules of behavior. And don't kneel.   

Al, my friend, all of that causes you to despise me without even knowing if I exist. You are not supposed to hate what isn't.
BTW, you would do well to examine how the N.T. was preserved, after all, you are the one who said JESUS was a Rabbi, a good guy, who got on the nerves of religious leaders and got Himself murdered by the Romans. How the heck did you come to those conclusions, Old Al? Hmmmm? Your own words pulled your drawers down.

[duffyd]

Leave it to those who don't know what they don't know to preach to everyone that they don't know what they already know. I, too, pity them. But, remember, they make their choices just as we do.
Al, remember this as well. You've heard 32nd hand why the N.T. isn't all that. It will shock you to realize that as GOD protected the first born with some blood on doorframes, HE preserved the N.T. because of HIS  Blood that splashed all over a wooden frame. 

[duffyd]

Scientists, like the one who headed our government's research into deciphering the human genome tells you exactly why he believes the bible in his book you haven't read. Why? Go to your library. It's free.

Before Francis Collins became @NIHDirector, he was our Director of @genome_gov and the main leader of the Human Genome Project since 1993! In this week’s #HGPCountdown, hear how he felt leading the project in the beginning, and how the team helped make it work.

Oooops. I forgot Al despises him too.

[Petrochemicals]

Kerosene, I never meant to force you to cling to every word I write. I realize you and others can't help themselves but I really don't try to be so irresistible. Maybe you should seek professional help.

[Bored chemist]

GOD didn't force Lucifer to hate HIM. Lucifer made a decision.

God made Lucifer, knowing what would happen.
This is a bit like the "I didn't kill him; the bullet did" argument.
You are responsible for your indirect actions as well as your direct ones.

God is possibly in the wrong with some of our sensitivities for wanting free willing servants of great power. But I am sure He looked into the future possibilities and picked a fall, with the least damage done to God and the faithful. And the minimum loss of any free willing creatures. IMHO.

In doing so, He sentenced many innocent millions to eternal torture.
That's not a "minimum loss".
It's quite a big one; and the minimum would have been zero.

[Bored chemist]

Scientists, like the one who headed our government's research into deciphering the human genome tells you exactly why he believes the bible in his book you haven't read. Why? Go to your library. It's free.

I presume you have read it>
I also suppose that you think that some of the points he makes are valid.

Why don't you look through the book, and find the top 3 good arguments and present them here, rather than continuing to post tosh as you have done so far?

You say there is proof.
Why don't you post that, instead of the nonsense you have been posting?

[Bored chemist]

A Boy Named Sue. I have no bias.

It rather looks as if you have.
You refer to your imaginary friend as male- well, that's traditional.
But it seems that when you have an imaginary adversary, they are female.
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=79132.msg600192#msg600192

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=79132.msg600349#msg600349

[jerrygg38]

Naked 4.17.2020
The question of God for the scientific community is to try to understand the encounters of man with God. The information in the Bible and Gospels and other holy books tend to be mythological. Man encounters God but the intelligence of the holy books is no greater than the intelligence of man at the time they were written. A super intelligent God does not exist. A God that created the universe does not exist. The universe is a five dimensional structure that perpetually oscillates from minimum radius to maximum radius forever. No God is required or necessary for the universe to exist.
   Once you get rid of the idea of an all mighty creator God, one must ask what kind of a God we have. Who spoke to Moses and Jesus and the other prophets of man? This was a natural God, an evolved God. As man evolves God evolves. Thus God is a higher form of evolved life.
   God has no eyes. His eyes are the eyes of man and the animals. Man is the highest evolved animal man serves God best. Man needs God to survive and God needs man to survive. God needs astronomical data so that he can beam Godself and the collective memory of the spirits of man to a new Earth.
   I have just finished my latest book “God and Futureman upon the New Earth”. I will discuss it here if people are interested. Since childhood I spoke to my God and my God spoke to me. In 1981 at age 42 God demanded that I study physics, philosophy, and religion so that I could explain God and the Universe to man. It has not been an easy job and people care very little. Agents and publishers are not interested because it is not a money making proposition. It cost me money and I give most of my books away. Yet I do it because I promised my God that I would.
   Now that I am 81 years, my life is coming to an end. My job is done. It has been an adventure. I did not want this job but I was forced into it. Why me I ask? I am not religious. There is no real reward or punishment. The spirits of most are erased in death. The spirits of some are absorbed by God and become part of Futureman upon the future new Earth. In either case the self is gone.
   Religions like to have rewards and punishments. Yet God wants to live and man is necessary for Gods survival.
  If people are interested I will discuss my latest book here.

[duffyd]

Dr. Robert Blair

We learn about Jesus primarily from the New Testament. But we learn about Jesus also from other early sources. One such source of information and confirmation is the collection of non-Christian material about Jesus, both Roman and Jewish. For example, Princeton biblical scholar Bruce Metzger says that even without the New Testament records, “early non-Christian testimonies concerning Jesus, though scanty, are sufficient to prove … that he was a historical figure who lived in Palestine in the early years of the first century, that he gathered a group of followers about himself, and that he was condemned to death under Pontius Pilate. Today, no competent scholar denies the historicity of Jesus.”

One of Jesus's clearest self-identifying statements came in response to the Jewish leaders' direct question: "How long will you keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly" (John 10:24).
“I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me. But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one." (John 10:25-30)

Of course HE lived. Intelligent, informed people recognize it. It isn't in dispute except for a few hippies who have to be different.
But, what can we discover about HIM? If we know HE lived, and we do, what information is available that defines HIM in greater detail, anything? Of course. The same info we rely upon informing us that such a Man lived, tells us infinitely more about HIM. The people who wrote His biographies did not make, and did not try to make, a single dime from their work. Many of His most passionate followers ended up losing everything they did have. Steve, for example, was murdered in broad daylight as a Super Pharisee approvingly looked on.
The agreement among the oldest texts we have demonstrates clearly we know what the original texts said. Thank GOD the originals are gone. Imagine how much blood would spill if we had them?

[Bored chemist]

His biographies did not make, and did not try to make, a single dime from their work.

LOL
They are still doing it
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/04/17/anti-lgbt-pastor-tony-spell-church-stimulus-cheques-checks-coronavirus-covid-19-unemployment/