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To return to the subject of this threadThere is an underlying consensus that the bible is "accepted" as a collection of poetry, ethical principles, and historical records of dubious provenance and variable reliability, but generally consistent with the known history of the Middle East up to about 2000 years ago.There is general disdain for Duffy's bizarre assertions and interpretations of some heavily curated and multiply retranslated aspects of the New Testament, which have nothing to do with the subject under discussion.
To return to the subject of this threadThere is an underlying consensus that the bible is "accepted" as a collection of poetry, ethical principles, and historical records of dubious provenance and variable reliability, but generally consistent with the known history of the Middle East up to about 2000 years ago.
dig into the grammar and the literay styles and the textual meaning of the words and you will find that what we have in the New Testament.....
Remember, too, it was written primarily by Jewish people
"Release unto us Barabbas". Funny how an otherwise unknown thief pops up in the last scene, says and does nothing, and gets a name credit. And what a name: bar-abbas - the Son of the Father. Imagine being crucified by a pun.
Quote from: duffyd on 27/04/2020 19:37:20Remember, too, it was written primarily by Jewish people Not the Tyndale or King James Version, on which all subsequent English revisions depend. The Jews were expelled from England in the 13th century and not readmitted until 50 years after the KJV was written.
some heavily curated and multiply retranslated aspects of the New Testament,
There are only a handful, approx 45 manuscripts that support the text that underlines the modern versions and this text is itself primarily based on just 2, Codex Sinaiticus and codex Vaticanus.
Quote from: duffyd on 28/04/2020 01:52:24There are only a handful, approx 45 manuscripts that support the text that underlines the modern versions and this text is itself primarily based on just 2, Codex Sinaiticus and codex Vaticanus. Both written in Greek. By Jews? I think not. Our holy texts are written in Hebrew.
If you think you provided an answer in the gibberish you've shared, go directly to jail. Don't pass Go!
I was under the impression you believe Christ was a Jewish Rabbi.
Quote I was under the impression you believe Christ was a Jewish Rabbi.It says so in the bible. Who am I to doubt it? So he would have at least reading fluency in classical Hebrew. But I'm pretty sure he didn't write the NT (which deals with events after his death) and certainly not in Greek. You keep missing the point. Nobody seriously contests that there's a fair bit of Jewish history in the bible, along with poetry and ancient laws, many of which are replicated in modern statutes.The point of contention is the latterday superstitions that attach to bits of it.
The point of contention is the latterday superstitions that attach to bits of it.
There is general disdain for Duffy's bizarre assertions and interpretations of some heavily curated and multiply retranslated aspects of the New Testament, which have nothing to do with the subject under discussion.
I was simply pointing out that you lied, whether from ignorance or deliberate intent. I'm inclined to be generous: I think you are deluded, not evil. But you might try to moderate your language if you want any sympathy.
If it was not written originally by Jews and not in Greek, why do you give any credibility to it?
Eusebius [the author of the Codex Vaticanus] was baptized and ordained at Caesarea, where he was taught by the learned presbyter Pamphilus, to whom he was bound by ties of respect and affection and from whom he derived the name “Eusebius Pamphili” (the son or servant of Pamphilus). Pamphilus came to be persecuted by the Romans for his beliefs and died in martyrdom in 310.
I never lied.
Combine this evidence with all the other evidence we have and there is no doubt JESUS is exactly WHO HE claimed to be to a scientific certainty.
Christ is blamed for practically every evil imaginable