[duffyd (OP)]

Let us assume that there is a God, and that it fulfills your three criteria of: infinite, eternal, and created the universe.

What else follows or is implicit in these facts? Must God have consciousness? Free will? Omniscience? Omnipotence? Omnipresence? Infallibility? Do you believe that this god has any special interest in humanity? Is subject to human logic?

Great questions. I think he is much like we are in many ways, so yes, he is conscious. At the same time he is so unlike us we cannot comprehend all that he is.

An excellent example of what God is like is his Son. He was and is God. Take a good look at him to understand what God is like.

[Bored chemist]

Responding intelligently to support statements some have made previously is the only way to prove your intentions for this thread are worthy of consideration.

OK
Let's see you respond intelligently to this statement made previously (by you, as it happens) and which is false.

You refuse to define evidence.

[Bored chemist]

Ask him yourselves. Ask Him Who He is. Ask Him to prove to you Who He is.

Using logical fallacies  like that one ( it's called "begging the question", btw) isn't a good way to show anything except that you know you have no valid argument.

[duffyd (OP)]

Ask him yourselves. Ask Him Who He is. Ask Him to prove to you Who He is.

Using logical fallacies  like that one ( it's called "begging the question", btw) isn't a good way to show anything except that you know you have no valid argument.

you are out.

[Bored chemist]

Ask him yourselves. Ask Him Who He is. Ask Him to prove to you Who He is.

Using logical fallacies  like that one ( it's called "begging the question", btw) isn't a good way to show anything except that you know you have no valid argument.

you are out.

In what universe is that your decision?
I see you are tacitly admitting that you can't justify your false allegation.
Why not just admit it and ask for forgiveness?

[duffyd (OP)]

Ask him yourselves. Ask Him Who He is. Ask Him to prove to you Who He is.

Using logical fallacies  like that one ( it's called "begging the question", btw) isn't a good way to show anything except that you know you have no valid argument.

you are out.

In what universe is that your decision?
I see you are tacitly admitting that you can't justify your false allegation.
Why not just admit it and ask for forgiveness?

bye bye

[duffyd (OP)]

more later
much to do

[duffyd (OP)]

more later
much to do

"I know the Resurrection is a fact, and Watergate proved it to me. How? Because 12 men testified they had seen Jesus raised from the dead, and then they proclaimed that truth for 40 years, never once denying it. Everyone was beaten, tortured, stoned, and put in prison. They would not have endured that if it weren't true. Watergate embroiled 12 of the most powerful men in the world and they couldn't keep a lie for three weeks. You're telling me 12 apostles could keep a lie for 40 years? Absolutely impossible." chuck colson

[duffyd (OP)]

How did they come up with this material? Who was this guy who made statements like these. Who spoke like He did? If these are not His words, who in the entire world would make them up and why? Do you know anyone, who isn't imitating Christ, who spoke like this?
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
I contend that the words He used, the things he said, by themselves prove He was God. Read all that He said. He was beyond weird, way beyond. No one ever throughout all history, presented Himself like this guy and no one did or could have created the things attributed to him. No one thinks like that.

[duffyd (OP)]

I didn't think Alan would make a serious attempt to back up the ridiculous nonsense he shared elsewhere. People make outrageous claims about Christ all the time without concern they will be held accountable.

[Bored chemist]

Because 12 men testified they had seen Jesus raised from the dead, and then they proclaimed that truth for 40 years, never once denying it. Everyone was beaten, tortured, stoned, and put in prison.

Hearsay. and therefore inadmissible.

[A-wal]

I knew it was a mistake to go wandering.

"I know the Resurrection is a fact, and Watergate proved it to me. How? Because 12 men testified they had seen Jesus raised from the dead, and then they proclaimed that truth for 40 years, never once denying it. Everyone was beaten, tortured, stoned, and put in prison. They would not have endured that if it weren't true. Watergate embroiled 12 of the most powerful men in the world and they couldn't keep a lie for three weeks. You're telling me 12 apostles could keep a lie for 40 years? Absolutely impossible." chuck colson

It doesn't need twelve people to keep a lie for fourty years, it requires just one person to lie for however long it takes to write down whatever it is they want people to read.

Do you really think that anyone who doesn't already believe is going to be convinced by your arguments?

What makes your particular brand of religion any better or more likely to be true than any other?

If you were born somewhere else, where Christianity wasn't the main religion do you really think you'd still be a Christian?

How do you explain the fact that the more intelligent a person is, the less likely they are to be religious?

Who created your god? If you think your god is eternal then why do you think that the universe needs a creator?

Why would your god need to judge people? It should already know exactly what everyone's going to do before they're even born! If not then it's not all knowing is it?

How do Christians claim that their god is all about love when it sends people to hell for not believing in it but forgives paedophiles, rapists and murderers?

Which do you think would impress your god more, people whose main motivation is to get into heaven or with people who don't need an incentive to do the right thing?

Do you believe that Noah was able to fit two of every strain of every land animal on the planet into one boat and provide them all with food and drinking water until the water receded? Do you believe that bats are a type of bird? Do you think it's acceptable to kill someone just because they don't believe what you believe? Do you think it's okay for people to sell their daughters into sex slavery? If you think the answer to these questions is no then how do you know which parts of the bible are right and which are wrong? If your answer to any of those questions was yes you've got far bigger problems and aren't worthy of saving from your self-delusional insanity.

[Bored chemist]

Personal testimony, sharing with others how God became real to people, is a scientifically valid tool

What's the mechanism for falsification?
(The one without which it isn't scientific)

[A-wal]

Oh and if we're all god's children then what exactly is so special about this Jesus person you speak of?

Da bible...

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up baldhead,” they shouted, “go up baldhead!” The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

“You are my battle-ax and sword,” says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)

You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures. (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)

“All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come over here and join me.” “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” “Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing.” (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

“Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you,” says the LORD. “Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction”. (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

And so on. And it promotes incest.

That's one disgusting arsehole of a god you've get there who doesn't deserve to be worshippped by anyone.

[duffyd (OP)]

Do you really think that anyone who doesn't already believe is going to be convinced by your arguments?

You bet

[duffyd (OP)]

What makes your particular brand of religion any better or more likely to be true than any other?

Better? It depends on what you mean.
I don't believe in religion

[duffyd (OP)]

If you were born somewhere else, where Christianity wasn't the main religion do you really think you'd still be a Christian?

Yes

[duffyd (OP)]

How do you explain the fact that the more intelligent a person is, the less likely they are to be religious?

Makes sense.

[duffyd (OP)]

Who created your god? If you think your god is eternal then why do you think that the universe needs a creator?

The universe isn't God.

At this point answer at least several questions I asked if you don't mind.

[duffyd (OP)]

Why would your god need to judge people? It should already know exactly what everyone's going to do before they're even born! If not then it's not all knowing is it?

I don't refer to God as it.