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Are you inclined to believe matter is made of spacetime events?

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Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events

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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #40 on: 14/01/2021 11:18:04 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 13/01/2021 20:05:18
Because the amount of energy in an atom is far greater than the spacetime events of positive and negative attraction you postulation creates

All of spacetime copied twice could have enough energy.

Quote from: Kryptid on 13/01/2021 21:12:48
In the case of truly fundamental particles, such as quarks and neutrinos, they aren't made of anything smaller (as we can best tell, experimentally).

So they are made of nothing. Why then not consider them made of spacetime events?

Quote from: Kryptid on 13/01/2021 21:12:48
Something being conceivable does not make it true. In science, you need experiments or observations that allow you to potentially falsify assertions. Have you done those experiments?

I made protons and electrons with my mind - they talk to me telepathically: I know it's not imagination.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/01/2021 19:06:17
Why would it need to?
Is it sending Xmas cards?

If there is a change in matter position, spacetime needs to communicate to change its curvature far from the matter.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #41 on: 14/01/2021 11:19:16 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 14/01/2021 11:18:04
I made protons and electrons with my mind - they talk to me telepathically: I know it's not imagination.
How are we meant to distinguish this from psychosis?
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #42 on: 14/01/2021 11:53:32 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 14/01/2021 11:19:16
How are we meant to distinguish this from psychosis?

You can only if someone else does the same thing.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #43 on: 14/01/2021 13:00:19 »
Do you recognise that your posts don't make scientific sense?
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #44 on: 14/01/2021 14:34:53 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 14/01/2021 13:00:19
Do you recognise that your posts don't make scientific sense?

It would seem not to make sense to you because you believe in point particles or strings.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #45 on: 14/01/2021 16:45:56 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 14/01/2021 11:18:04
So they are made of nothing. Why then not consider them made of spacetime events?

A lack of a good, scientifically-based reason to do so.

Quote from: talanum1 on 14/01/2021 11:18:04
I made protons and electrons with my mind

Evidence please.

Quote from: talanum1 on 14/01/2021 11:18:04
they talk to me telepathically

Evidence please. Since when can subatomic particles talk?

Quote from: talanum1 on 14/01/2021 11:18:04
I know it's not imagination.

How? Wouldn't you need some kind of physical corroboration in order to know that? If so, then what is this corroboration?
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #46 on: 14/01/2021 17:15:43 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 14/01/2021 16:45:56
Evidence please.

I have evidence but it is subjective.

Quote from: Kryptid on 14/01/2021 16:45:56
Evidence please. Since when can subatomic particles talk?

You need to be telepathic to know.

Quote from: Kryptid on 14/01/2021 16:45:56
How? Wouldn't you need some kind of physical corroboration in order to know that? If so, then what is this corroboration?

The happenings were outside my head.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #47 on: 14/01/2021 20:01:43 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 14/01/2021 17:15:43
I have evidence but it is subjective.
So, it's not science then.
Why are you posting here on a science page?

Quote from: talanum1 on 14/01/2021 14:34:53
It would seem not to make sense to you because you believe in point particles or strings.
It does not make sense to me because you have not been able to explain it.
But the point I was making is that it is not science.
The fact that it is not science is not a function of my belief in string, or anything else.
It is a function of the inability of anyone to reproduce your findings.

Quote from: talanum1 on 14/01/2021 17:15:43
You need to be telepathic to know.
Then, because it is not reproducible, it's not science.
Please stop posting about it on a science page.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #48 on: 14/01/2021 20:42:28 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 14/01/2021 17:15:43
I have evidence but it is subjective.

Do you have scientific evidence?

Quote from: talanum1 on 14/01/2021 17:15:43
You need to be telepathic to know.

So are you saying that your model is not capable of being investigated scientifically?

Quote from: talanum1 on 14/01/2021 17:15:43
The happenings were outside my head.

How do you know?
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #49 on: 15/01/2021 22:21:03 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 14/01/2021 11:18:04
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 13/01/2021 20:05:18
Because the amount of energy in an atom is far greater than the spacetime events of positive and negative attraction you postulation creates

All of spacetime copied twice could have enough energy.
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The energy in a nuclear explosion pails in comparison to the actual energy in a nuclear particle, a uranium atom contains 1000 times the energy in its particles than the fission of the atom and 10000 times the energy of the sun's hydrogen fusion. This would be noticed if fabricated from space time events.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #50 on: 16/01/2021 15:27:56 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 14/01/2021 20:01:43
So, it's not science then.

It's science: I can tell you how to make particles of your own (Earth does not like this).

Quote from: Kryptid on 14/01/2021 20:42:28
How do you know?

I know where I end and the World begins.

Quote from: Kryptid on 14/01/2021 20:42:28
So are you saying that your model is not capable of being investigated scientifically?

It can be tested by someone who is also telepathic.

Quote from: Petrochemicals on 15/01/2021 22:21:03
This would be noticed if fabricated from space time events.

How will it be noticed?
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #51 on: 16/01/2021 15:44:06 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 16/01/2021 15:27:56
It can be tested by someone who is also telepathic.
So, no real people can test it.
Quote from: talanum1 on 16/01/2021 15:27:56
It's science: I can tell you how to make particles of your own (Earth does not like this).
No
It might be science if you told is something which could work.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #52 on: 16/01/2021 16:28:28 »
It can be tested: it predicts the fields will behave differently from that expected of a point, at very close distances from the particle.

Think for yourself: how can a point have more than one property?
« Last Edit: 16/01/2021 16:32:08 by talanum1 »
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #53 on: 16/01/2021 16:29:36 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 16/01/2021 16:28:28
It can be tested:
Then do the experiment.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #54 on: 16/01/2021 17:55:55 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 16/01/2021 15:27:56
I know where I end and the World begins.

So then describe for us what it was that convinced you that you were receiving telepathic messages from outside of your own head.

Quote from: talanum1 on 16/01/2021 15:27:56
It can be tested by someone who is also telepathic.

First there would have to be compelling scientific evidence that telepathy exists in the first place. People merely claiming to be telepathic is insufficient.

Quote from: talanum1 on 16/01/2021 16:28:28
It can be tested: it predicts the fields will behave differently from that expected of a point, at very close distances from the particle.

In what way, specifically?
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #55 on: 17/01/2021 09:15:05 »
They could tell me things I didn't know.

Telepathy is scientificly proven: the proof is on the Internet.

It will be vectors along curves and it won't go to infinity as you approach zero.

I can prove they aren't points. Proof: Suppose they are points. Then it should be possible to superimpose two of them with the same spin. This contradicts the Pauli exclusion principle.
« Last Edit: 17/01/2021 09:30:29 by talanum1 »
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #56 on: 17/01/2021 10:21:46 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 17/01/2021 09:15:05
Telepathy is scientificly proven: the proof is on the Internet.
No it isn't, and a lot of lies are on the internet.
Quote from: talanum1 on 17/01/2021 09:15:05
Proof: Suppose they are points. Then it should be possible to superimpose two of them with the same spin.
Not a proof; it's a non sequitur.
Quote from: talanum1 on 17/01/2021 09:15:05
They could tell me things I didn't know.
Some of the things they told you (and which you posted here) don't make sense.
So you don't actually "know" them. You just think you do.
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #57 on: 17/01/2021 11:41:29 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/01/2021 10:21:46
Not a proof; it's a non sequitur.

You see, you got a strong interest in it not being true. It follows: two points can be superimposed (mathematically valid operation). It's done regularly like in lining up two Lorentz frames.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/01/2021 10:21:46
No it isn't, and a lot of lies are on the internet.

See: https://www.whiteoutpress.com/scientists-prove-mental-telepathy-real/
https://www.insidescience.org/video/telepathy-real
https://anomalien.com/scientific-evidence-of-telepathy
https://www.alittlesparkofjoy.com/telepathy
www.yogebooks.com/english/atkinson/1910telepathy.pdf

Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/01/2021 10:21:46
Some of the things they told you (and which you posted here) don't make sense.
So you don't actually "know" them. You just think you do.

I didn't post anything they told me. What does not make sense?
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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #58 on: 17/01/2021 11:51:35 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 17/01/2021 09:15:05
I can prove they aren't points. Proof: Suppose they are points. Then it should be possible to superimpose two of them with the same spin.
I can put two eggs in a box, but it does not follow that I can put two elephants in that box.
There is a rule that stops me.
I can't do that because elephants are too big.

I can't put two electrons in the same place.
There are two rules that stop me.
One reason is the Pauli principle but another is the electrostatic repulsion would be infinite.

So your idea makes no sense.

You say " we could ..." but we can't- for exactly the reason you give- The Pauli principle.
Quote from: talanum1 on 17/01/2021 11:41:29
See: https://www.whiteoutpress.com/scientists-prove-mental-telepathy-real/
https://www.insidescience.org/video/telepathy-real
https://anomalien.com/scientific-evidence-of-telepathy
https://www.alittlesparkofjoy.com/telepathy
www.yogebooks.com/english/atkinson/1910telepathy.pdf
As I said:
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/01/2021 10:21:46
a lot of lies are on the internet.

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Re: Proof that Matter is Made out of Spacetime Events
« Reply #59 on: 17/01/2021 11:54:10 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 17/01/2021 11:41:29
I didn't post anything they told me.
You said this
Quote from: talanum1 on 14/01/2021 11:18:04
I made protons and electrons with my mind - they talk to me telepathically
What did they tell you?
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