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What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
« on: 03/09/2020 06:41:47 »
What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
Can plant or living inanimate degrees, even the bat, be the root of the phenomena in our world or rather human beings?
An illustrated question in the following clip:
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Re: What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
« Reply #1 on: 03/09/2020 09:43:27 »
Stuff happens. Not sure there is any better definition of phenomena. As far as we know, most stuff happens with or without the presence of humans, so the source of most phenomena is the rest of the universe.
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Re: What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
« Reply #2 on: 05/09/2020 01:13:12 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 03/09/2020 09:43:27
so the source of most phenomena is the rest of the universe

This is exactly what we thought.
But we have forgotten that the universe is within us. The same elements he scattered billions of years ago are within us so when you claim that everything else came from the universe you forget that he actually make an impression ourselves within us.
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Re: What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
« Reply #3 on: 05/09/2020 01:17:23 »
Quote from: yovav on 05/09/2020 01:13:12
But we have forgotten that the universe is within us.
Most of it isn't.
Quote from: yovav on 05/09/2020 01:13:12
The same elements he scattered billions of years ago are within us so when you claim that everything else came from the universe you forget that he actually make an impression ourselves within us.
Looks like "new age woo" to me, but feel free to prove me wrong with actual data.
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Re: What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
« Reply #4 on: 05/09/2020 01:29:26 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 03/09/2020 09:43:27
Stuff happens. Not sure there is any better definition of phenomena. As far as we know, most stuff happens with or without the presence of humans, so the source of most phenomena is the rest of the universe.
In other words I would say that this is the new conception of evolution
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Re: What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
« Reply #5 on: 05/09/2020 06:01:36 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 05/09/2020 01:17:23
Looks like "new age woo" to me, but feel free to prove me wrong with actual data.
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https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/are-we-really-made-of-stardust.html

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/01/150128-big-bang-universe-supernova-astrophysics-health-space-ngbooktalk/

It is not only that we are in the universe but that the universe is within us. But what is more interesting is the question, what might be the consequences of the very existence of this event.
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Re: What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
« Reply #6 on: 05/09/2020 10:40:23 »
What might be the consequences of the very existence of this event? Negligible.

Other species have come and gone, with no possible effect on anything further away than 5 billion light years, i.e. 99.9% of the observable universe, and no measurable effect on anything outside this planet.

We are of no cosmic consequence whatever.
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Re: What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
« Reply #7 on: 05/09/2020 10:59:44 »
Quote from: yovav on 05/09/2020 06:01:36
Quote from: Bored chemist on 05/09/2020 01:17:23
Looks like "new age woo" to me, but feel free to prove me wrong with actual data.
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https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/are-we-really-made-of-stardust.html

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/01/150128-big-bang-universe-supernova-astrophysics-health-space-ngbooktalk/

It is not only that we are in the universe but that the universe is within us. But what is more interesting is the question, what might be the consequences of the very existence of this event.
No,
I didn't mean evidence for the obvious bit.
I meant evidence for this claim
Quote from: yovav on 05/09/2020 01:13:12
you forget that he actually make an impression ourselves within us.

It's either trivially true, or meaningless.
Which did you have in mind?
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Re: What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
« Reply #8 on: 05/09/2020 14:11:40 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 05/09/2020 10:40:23
We are of no cosmic consequence whatever.
Every carbon atom of all living things on this planet is formed in the heart of a dying star.
The universe you live in is not only foreign to what you can think of but also to what you can imagine.
Elizabeth Gilbert once said: The universe buries rare pearls deep within us and then returns to see if we can find them.
Think about it. The dimension of time you describe does not play a role where time and place do not exist. Time exists only in you as a subjective dimension of the one who perceives it only.
And what you claim is that there is no cosmic effect, even in your "tools" only and not beyond that.
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Re: What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
« Reply #9 on: 05/09/2020 14:22:12 »
Quote from: yovav on 05/09/2020 14:11:40
Elizabeth Gilbert once said: The universe buries rare pearls deep within us and then returns to see if we can find them.
When did she receive the Nobel Prize for Cosmology?
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Re: What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
« Reply #10 on: 05/09/2020 14:37:56 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 05/09/2020 14:22:12
When did she receive the Nobel Prize for Cosmology?
I did not know that the Nobel Prize in Cosmology is a guarantee of knowledge that is beyond the bounds of science.
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Re: What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
« Reply #11 on: 05/09/2020 15:30:21 »
Quote from: yovav on 05/09/2020 14:37:56
Quote from: alancalverd on 05/09/2020 14:22:12
When did she receive the Nobel Prize for Cosmology?
I did not know that the Nobel Prize in Cosmology is a guarantee of knowledge that is beyond the bounds of science.
I didn't see any evidence of such knowledge.
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Re: What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
« Reply #12 on: 05/09/2020 16:58:12 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 05/09/2020 15:30:21
I didn't see any evidence of such knowledge.
This is true because every new paradigm has dropped the rug for the holders of the old perception.
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Re: What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
« Reply #13 on: 05/09/2020 16:59:17 »
Quote from: yovav on 03/09/2020 06:41:47
What is the source of the phenomena in our life?
Can plant or living inanimate degrees, even the bat, be the root of the phenomena in our world or rather human beings?
An illustrated question in the following clip:

Sorry, here's the clip
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