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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #680 on: 27/08/2022 12:23:39 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 27/08/2022 04:23:54
It sounds more like undefined or indeterminate.
To whom?
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 27/08/2022 04:28:32
What are the necessary conditions for a light beam to produce cooling effect on an object it's shone on?
They are the conditions which people arrange when  they wish to perform laser cooling experiments.
If you see how they do those experiments, you should be able to work out what the conditions are.

Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 27/08/2022 04:33:38
I'll try to figure it out through experiments when I have the time.
I'm not expecting you to do experiments; I'm hoping you will think.
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #681 on: 28/08/2022 12:34:43 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 27/08/2022 12:23:39
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 27/08/2022 04:23:54
It sounds more like undefined or indeterminate.
To whom?
To anyone who wants to understand how temperature emerges from microscopic interactions.
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #682 on: 28/08/2022 12:35:52 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 27/08/2022 12:23:39
They are the conditions which people arrange when  they wish to perform laser cooling experiments.
If you see how they do those experiments, you should be able to work out what the conditions are.
Do you know?  What are they?
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #683 on: 28/08/2022 13:34:18 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 28/08/2022 12:35:52
Do you know? 
Yes.
That's why I can tell you that you don't need a laser.
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What are they?
Quote from: Bored chemist on 27/08/2022 12:23:39
I'm hoping you will think.
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #684 on: 29/08/2022 08:57:48 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/08/2022 13:34:18
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 28/08/2022 12:35:52
Do you know?
Yes.
That's why I can tell you that you don't need a laser.
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What are they?
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I'm hoping you will think.

It makes your "knowledge" unfalsifiable, hence unscientific.
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #685 on: 29/08/2022 10:21:39 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 29/08/2022 08:57:48
It makes your "knowledge" unfalsifiable, hence unscientific.
How  did you come to that odd conclusion?

Me telling you to look something up rather than spoon-feeding you the information doesn't make it unscientific; it makes it educational.
I'm hoping that you will become accustomed to thinking for yourself.
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #686 on: 29/08/2022 14:43:26 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/08/2022 10:21:39
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 29/08/2022 08:57:48
It makes your "knowledge" unfalsifiable, hence unscientific.
How  did you come to that odd conclusion?

Me telling you to look something up rather than spoon-feeding you the information doesn't make it unscientific; it makes it educational.
I'm hoping that you will become accustomed to thinking for yourself.

By not specifying your knowledge, you protect yourself from being contradicted by experimental results.
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #687 on: 29/08/2022 15:45:14 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 29/08/2022 14:43:26
By not specifying your knowledge, you protect yourself from being contradicted by experimental results.
My knowledge is generally based on experimental results so your idea makes no sense, does it?
How could the experiments contradict themselves?
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #688 on: 31/08/2022 06:09:43 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/08/2022 15:45:14
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 29/08/2022 14:43:26
By not specifying your knowledge, you protect yourself from being contradicted by experimental results.
My knowledge is generally based on experimental results so your idea makes no sense, does it?
How could the experiments contradict themselves?
You can't contradict anything which is not specified.
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #689 on: 31/08/2022 08:51:16 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 31/08/2022 06:09:43
You can't contradict anything which is not specified.
Nobody said that you could.
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #690 on: 01/09/2022 13:13:06 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/08/2022 15:45:14
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 29/08/2022 14:43:26
By not specifying your knowledge, you protect yourself from being contradicted by experimental results.
My knowledge is generally based on experimental results so your idea makes no sense, does it?
How could the experiments contradict themselves?
One experimental results might be interpreted by several different theories. You didn't specify which theory you accept.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/08/2022 10:21:39
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 29/08/2022 08:57:48
It makes your "knowledge" unfalsifiable, hence unscientific.
How  did you come to that odd conclusion?

Me telling you to look something up rather than spoon-feeding you the information doesn't make it unscientific; it makes it educational.
I'm hoping that you will become accustomed to thinking for yourself.

You don't always agree with Google nor Wikipedia. How do we know which one is the correct answer? Do you think you're always right?
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #691 on: 01/09/2022 13:55:22 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 01/09/2022 13:13:06
Do you think you're always right?
No
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 01/09/2022 13:13:06
How do we know which one is the correct answer?
It is difficult to be sure you have the right answer.
But it is often quite easy to identify wrong answers.
For example, an answer that contradicts itself is wrong.
An answer that contradicts an observation is wrong.
That's true, even if the observation was made a long time ago.
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #692 on: 02/09/2022 14:17:27 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/08/2022 15:45:14
How could the experiments contradict themselves?
If an experiment is not repeatable, then there must be some uncontrolled factors involved.
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #693 on: 02/09/2022 14:22:34 »
This video gives important information to learn about temperature. 
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #694 on: 02/09/2022 16:25:39 »
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This video gives important information to learn about temperature superconductors.
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #695 on: 04/09/2022 03:52:59 »
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This video gives important information to learn about temperature superconductors.

Can't you see its relationship with temperature?
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #696 on: 04/09/2022 09:52:09 »
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Can't you see its relationship with temperature?
Practically the whole of thermodynamics was sorted out before thee were any high temperature superconductors to play with.
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #697 on: 08/09/2022 04:37:26 »
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Can't you see its relationship with temperature?
Practically the whole of thermodynamics was sorted out before thee were any high temperature superconductors to play with.

If two thermometers show different measurements from the same object at the same time, how to determine which one is more correct?
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #698 on: 08/09/2022 08:38:45 »
The first stage is where you find something of which the temperature is known, and see which thermometer measures that correctly.
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Re: what is temperature?
« Reply #699 on: 09/09/2022 01:14:14 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 08/09/2022 04:37:26
If two thermometers show different measurements from the same object at the same time, how to determine which one is more correct?

The one traceable to a national standards laboratory.

True story. I attended the induction of recruits to the UK National Physical Laboratory. The Director said: "How long is a piece of string? In law, it is as long as I say it is. Your job is to tell me what to say."
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