[gem]

In regards to Earth’s interaction with something else, just concentrating on the electromagnetic energy received and we have already quantified this value relative to the rotational Kinect energy,
we know this energy input contravenes the conditions required for the laws of conservation of momentum
We can observe these chains of events of various energy transfers that the Suns energy induces, for example the variations in pressure/temperature generating velocity and number of collisions of the molecules of the atmosphere fluctuations.
The friction of the millions of metric tons of water dropped down to the surface at velocity’s not in accordance with conservation of momentum, the dynamics of the waves of the oceans.
The wind passing across earth’s surface with varying degrees of friction, depending on the type of surface, all start chains of events that can and does impact on the sum total of earth’s Momentum through transfer of earth’s rotational energy to other forms , that are not compatible with conservation of momentum.

[Bored chemist]

In regards to Earth’s interaction with something else, just concentrating on the electromagnetic energy received and we have already quantified this value relative to the rotational Kinect energy,
we know this energy input contravenes the conditions required for the laws of conservation of momentum
We can observe these chains of events of various energy transfers that the Suns energy induces, for example the variations in pressure/temperature generating velocity and number of collisions of the molecules of the atmosphere fluctuations.
The friction of the millions of metric tons of water dropped down to the surface at velocity’s not in accordance with conservation of momentum, the dynamics of the waves of the oceans.
The wind passing across earth’s surface with varying degrees of friction, depending on the type of surface, all start chains of events that can and does impact on the sum total of earth’s Momentum through transfer of earth’s rotational energy to other forms , that are not compatible with conservation of momentum.

You forgot the only important thing you need to explain.
Where is the external torque?

[gem]

Hi, so in regards to the point regarding an outside torque force, I covered that in previous posts with the laws of conservation of energy/momentum.
In regards to the 3 milli second annual range in the LOD, you misunderstand me, I am not attributing that to the variation in solar flux.
And yes huge amounts of energy do (pour in as solar radiation) and huge amounts exit in different forms of energy as per the laws of conservation of energy due to the various energy dynamics occurring here on Earth on a approximate balance between input/output, some of these transfers have been empirically been linked to variation to LOD
So the question at this point should be why you believe momentum is protected from these transfers of energy.

[Bored chemist]

So the question at this point should be why you believe momentum is protected from these transfers of energy.

Because it is a conserved quantity.
To change it, you need to apply a torque.
That really is high school maths.

The proof (which I accept isn't high school maths) was worked ou a hundred years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem

So the question is, why don't you accept it?

[gem]

Because of the laws of conservation of energy and ironically the mathematical proof you refer to links from the same pages below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_system

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolated_system

As the requirement That underpins Noether Theorem is a closed/ isolated system.
In classical physics.

[Bored chemist]

Yes.
And...?

What it says is "a physical system so far removed from other systems that it does not interact with them."
And, unless you can show the means by which the Earth interacts (in a relevant way) with anything you have proved my point for me.
You seem to be conflating two different sets of criteria which are not as well defined here as you seem to think.
A system is isolated enough for angular momentum to be conserved , provided that it is isolated from any torque.Imagine we put a pair of huge lasers on opposite sides of the equator, both pointing west.
They would provide a torque and alter the spin of the Earth.
And they would also apply a torque to the rest of the universe.
The angular momentum of the universe as a whole would be conserved.
If you turn one of the lasers round so it faces east, then they would provide a net force on the Earth and would change its  linear momentum.
And again, the rest of the universe would be pushed the other way so the linear momentum of the whole universe would be conserved.

Now imagine that we put a big black box round the Earth.
The lasers still alter the angular or linear momentum of the Earth.
They also alter the momentum of the box such that the sum of the momentum of the Earth and the box stays the same.

Now imaging tethering the box to the Earth so it can't translate or rotate with respect to  Earth- obviously, that would involve spinning it at 1 rev per day.

All the lasers would do would be to put a force on the tether ropes. They wouldn't actually make anything move, would they?

[gem]

Hi all so in regards to conflating the criteria, let’s start with the first couple of paragraphs of  the laws of conservation of momentum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_momentum
It states the momentum of an isolated system remains constant.
And if you follow the links for definitions of closed and isolated you get the clarification of this  not my words just the laws of conservation

(classical mechanics   
In nonrelativistic classical mechanics, a closed system is a physical system that doesn't exchange any matter with its surroundings, and isn't subject to any net force whose source is external to the system.[1][2] A closed system in classical mechanics would be equivalent to an isolated system in thermodynamics. )
And this states for an isolated system

(An isolated system cannot exchange any heat, work, or matter with the surroundings,)

Therefore as stated by the previous posts Regarding the solar energy received, Earth does not meet the criteria in regards to conservation of momentum. As stated by the laws of conservation of energy with no mention of an outside torque force required, just the transfer of energy is sufficient.

Maybe your mixing up closed and isolated.

[Bored chemist]

My phone is sat on the table in front of me.
It is neither an isolated, nor a closed system.
And yet, it will not suddenly start spinning.

What you need to have, to get it spinning, is a torque.

[Bored chemist]

My phone is sat on the table in front of me.
It is neither an isolated, nor a closed system.
And yet, it will not suddenly start spinning.

What you need to have, to get it spinning, is a torque.

As stated by the laws of conservation of energy with no mention of an outside torque force required, just the transfer of energy is sufficient.

They do not say that.

Show me how it could work.
Show me how something could start (or stop) spinning without a torque.
And then show me any sort of calculation for the rate at which the angular momentum changes.
That's going to trip you up.
The rate of change of angular  momentum is the torque divided by the moment of inertia.
If the torque is zero then the change in angular momentum is also zero.

[Halc]

Hi all so in regards to conflating the criteria, let’s start with the first couple of paragraphs of  the laws of conservation of momentum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_momentum
It states the momentum of an isolated system remains constant.

And yet you will switch to energy before this post is over. Energy has nothing to do with conservation of momentum.

In nonrelativistic classical mechanics, a closed system is a physical system that doesn't exchange any matter with its surroundings, and isn't subject to any net force whose source is external to the system.[1][2] A closed system in classical mechanics would be equivalent to an isolated system in thermodynamics. )

No mention of energy I see.

Therefore as stated by the previous posts Regarding the solar energy received, Earth does not meet the criteria in regards to conservation of momentum.

No, because there are external forces acting on Earth.  It has nothing to do with the solar energy, since that itself applies neither force nor torque to the planet.  Gravity on the other hand exerts a force, therefore the momentum of Earth is not constant, and that momentum necessarily is transferred to other objects. Tides exert a significant torque, therefore the momentum is transferred via reaction-torque to other forms. There is no other significant torque. Gravity waves exert a torque, and thus radiate away some of Earth's orbital momentum, so the angular momentum of Earth's orbital energy is actually radiating away at a rate of about 200w, which is less than some of my light-bulbs. That is an awful lot of significant digits less than the torque from the tides, which work in the opposite direction (increasing the orbit).

Only net force has an effect on momentum. Not energy. Yes, from an energy standpoint, the solar system is a completely open system, radiating energy at a furious pace into space. That has no effect on either the momentum or the angular momentum of the solar system.

As stated by the laws of conservation of energy with no mention of an outside torque force required, just the transfer of energy is sufficient.

The energy laws are irrelevant to momentum laws. Indeed, no force need be applied to change the energy of a system any more than energy needs to be applied to change the momentum of a system. B-C's phone is not only on the table, but it's charging there, and that input of energy doesn't get it sliding or spinning now, does it?  There is no torque between it and the table, so no change in angular momentum, regardless of its status of receiving energy.

[Petrochemicals]

  There is no torque between it and the table, so no change in angular momentum, regardless of its status of receiving energy.

(Unless its kinetic energy)

[Bored chemist]

  There is no torque between it and the table, so no change in angular momentum, regardless of its status of receiving energy.

(Unless its kinetic energy)

Even then, there's no guarantee.
I could install a pair of contra-rotating flywheels in my phone. As long as they are a matched pair there's no net exchange of angular momentum.

[gem]

So it is stated an isolated system is a requirement for conservation of momentum

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Diagram_Systems.png

And Halc states the energy laws are irrelevant to the momentum laws

[Bored chemist]

Do you realise that the conservation laws are laws of nature and the terms " isolated" and "closed" are entirely arbitrary?

There are no isolated systems, not any closed ones.
We can not put a box round something to block gravity waves. Nor can we stop things tunnelling.
Even black holes evaporate.

So stop trying to use  "lies we tell to children" concepts to overturn  maths.

[Bored chemist]

And Halc states the energy laws are irrelevant to the momentum laws

He's right.
They are entirely independent quantities,

[Petrochemicals]

  There is no torque between it and the table, so no change in angular momentum, regardless of its status of receiving energy.

(Unless its kinetic energy)

I can impart kinetic energy to a system without any external application of force from outside the system, so this is wrong.

Nuh huh.

I can impart kinetic energy{ via acceleration from outside the system ?} to a system without any external application of force from outside the system

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy

[Bored chemist]

  There is no torque between it and the table, so no change in angular momentum, regardless of its status of receiving energy.

(Unless its kinetic energy)

I can impart kinetic energy to a system without any external application of force from outside the system, so this is wrong.

Nuh huh.

I can impart kinetic energy{ via acceleration from outside the system ?} to a system without any external application of force from outside the system

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy

That doesn't actually make much sense.

Are you trying to say that you don't understand how wireless charging could drive a fan?

[Bored chemist]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how there's a change in angular momentum without a torque .
How do you get round this ?

The rate of change of angular  momentum is the torque divided by the moment of inertia.
If the torque is zero then the change in angular momentum is also zero.

[gem]

Thanks petrochemicals, I made that point in my first post in this thread #38
BC every time you see trees bending in the wind. think about what age you were when you learnt about momentum.

[Bored chemist]

Thanks petrochemicals, I made that point in my first post in this thread #38
BC every time you see trees bending in the wind. think about what age you were when you learnt about momentum.

In a practical sense, whatever age I was when I first ran into something.

Stop posting drivel and answer the question.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how there's a change in angular momentum without a torque .
How do you get round this ?

The rate of change of angular  momentum is the torque divided by the moment of inertia.
If the torque is zero then the change in angular momentum is also zero.