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How does radio wave behave?

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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #20 on: 02/02/2022 04:17:25 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 16/12/2020 10:04:36
Using monopole antennae is simple and convenient for practical use, but they introduce unwanted complexities which are against the purpose of the experiments. After searching for a while I finally found this source which I think is the best solution for the problem.
http://vk5ajl.com/projects/baluns.php#current
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CORE TYPE CURRENT BALUN
Highly recommended. This is a very low loss balun and ideal for use with a tuner.

This balun works by controlling currents. THERE IS NO TRANSFORMER ACTION. The two windings must be in the same sense (dots at the same end). The magnetic fields of opposing balanced working currents will cancel each other out and so present very little impedance (other than the resistance of the wires) to these currents. On the other hand, common mode currents will produce a mutually inductive magnetic field and face a high impedance.

This means the more turns the better, up to a point. In this case, the windings are a transmission line that has losses but these are much lower than the losses transfering energy from one winding to another through a core.

Design considerations are really very minimal. Since the losses of balanced lines are low compared to coax, you aren't losing much except for the resistance of the wires which is very low compared to radiating resistance anyway.

The current balun shown here, wound around a steel bolt, is probably a little crude but why not? Steel or iron is not normally used for RF because there are too many eddys making it too inefficient for transformers. In this application, since there is no magnetic effect for the desired currents, it doesn't matter. For common mode currents on the other hand, inefficiency is an advantage. Not only is a high impedance presented to common mode currents, the energy from them is absorbed by the bolt.



I'd like to hear if someone here has a second opinion.

I found another model of balun for dipole antenna.



I'd like to know how it will perform compared to previous model.
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #21 on: 09/02/2022 07:50:19 »
Meanwhile, I've just finished editing my old recorded video. It's a short one, demonstrating the effect of wave guide in radio transmission.
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #22 on: 18/02/2022 02:09:26 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/07/2021 08:41:59
Did you wrap the power supply / battery in aluminium?
You can find out here.

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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #23 on: 19/02/2022 21:21:08 »
There's one more experiment I've recorded before the receiver was dismantled because I needed the multimeter and power bank. It shows the transmission profile of a long transmitter antenna, which is more than one wavelength. I've finished editing the video. I'll share it with you soon.
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #24 on: 23/02/2022 02:42:09 »
This video demonstrates transmission profile of long transmitter antenna in radio frequency.
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #25 on: 18/04/2022 22:28:29 »
I've recorded some videos experimenting on radio wave using dipole antenna. I think it will give us access to explore further on polarization, wave direction by phase shifting, and some other phenomena which are harder to demonstrate using spring antenna. 
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #26 on: 19/04/2022 17:39:38 »
The outcomes of your experiments will be in accordance with Maxwell's equations.
What are the experiments/ videos for?
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #27 on: 20/04/2022 07:25:24 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/04/2022 17:39:38
The outcomes of your experiments will be in accordance with Maxwell's equations.
What are the experiments/ videos for?
To understand the factors need to consider in applying  the theories, identify the practical difficulties in using them, and the limits of applicability. How else would you get those information?
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #28 on: 20/04/2022 08:35:05 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 20/04/2022 07:25:24
How else would you get those information?
Look at all the experiments that have been done in the past.
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #29 on: 20/04/2022 09:36:51 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/04/2022 08:35:05
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 20/04/2022 07:25:24
How else would you get those information?
Look at all the experiments that have been done in the past.
I haven't found the experiments that I'm going to do.

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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #30 on: 25/04/2022 15:44:38 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 18/04/2022 22:28:29
I've recorded some videos experimenting on radio wave using dipole antenna. I think it will give us access to explore further on polarization, wave direction by phase shifting, and some other phenomena which are harder to demonstrate using spring antenna. 

Here's the first video using a dipole antenna. More videos will follow.

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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #31 on: 24/07/2023 05:12:56 »
Why don't Submarines use Radio or GPS?

This video contains many interesting technical information which are usually discarded in the movies.
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #32 on: 06/09/2023 13:58:53 »
When several different phenomena occurred at once in an experiment, the results may seem like magic.
It takes ingenuity to untangle them and identify the phenomena causing effects there.
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #33 on: 06/09/2023 14:11:22 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 24/07/2023 05:12:56
Why don't Submarines use Radio or GPS?
Submarine use both radio and GPS.  It is true they go rather long periods of time without being able to have radio or GPS contact.
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #34 on: 06/09/2023 16:49:43 »
As BC has already pointed out radio waves behave exactly as Maxwell's equations predict, no more, no less. Any experiment one can think of will already have been done, countless times. Radio is one particular of physics that has received a colossal amount of experimentation.
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #35 on: 07/09/2023 10:11:16 »
Quote from: paul cotter on 06/09/2023 16:49:43
As BC has already pointed out radio waves behave exactly as Maxwell's equations predict, no more, no less. Any experiment one can think of will already have been done, countless times. Radio is one particular of physics that has received a colossal amount of experimentation.
Lorentz' force can't be derived from Maxwell's equations.
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #36 on: 07/09/2023 10:36:28 »
True, but I think the outcome will be consistent with Maxwell's eqns.
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #37 on: 07/09/2023 12:04:37 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/09/2023 10:36:28
True, but I think the outcome will be consistent with Maxwell's eqns.
This assertion is where my concern lies.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 07/09/2023 10:11:16
Maxwell's equations predict, no more, no less.

Lorentz' force and Coulomb's force describe how matters behave under influence of electromagnetic radiations, which Maxwell's equations alone don't predict.
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #38 on: 07/09/2023 13:21:16 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 07/09/2023 12:04:37
This assertion is where my concern lies.
Feel free to do experiments though, as Alan pointed out, the experiments were probably done a hundred years ago.
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Re: How does radio wave behave?
« Reply #39 on: 08/09/2023 12:30:01 »
It would be interesting to do experiments mentioned in the articles below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_paradox
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The Faraday paradox or Faraday's paradox is any experiment in which Michael Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction appears to predict an incorrect result. The paradoxes fall into two classes:

Faraday's law appears to predict that there will be zero electromotive force (EMF) but there is a non-zero EMF.
Faraday's law appears to predict that there will be a non-zero EMF but there is zero EMF.
Faraday deduced his law of induction in 1831, after inventing the first electromagnetic generator or dynamo, but was never satisfied with his own explanation of the paradox.

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It is tempting to generalize Faraday's law to state: If ∂Σ is any arbitrary closed loop in space whatsoever, then the total time derivative of magnetic flux through Σ equals the emf around ∂Σ. This statement, however, is not always true and the reason is not just from the obvious reason that emf is undefined in empty space when no conductor is present. As noted in the previous section, Faraday's law is not guaranteed to work unless the velocity of the abstract curve ∂Σ matches the actual velocity of the material conducting the electricity.[30] The two examples illustrated below show that one often obtains incorrect results when the motion of ∂Σ is divorced from the motion of the material.
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