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Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?

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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #200 on: 21/10/2023 09:16:17 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/10/2023 17:14:39
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 12/10/2023 04:28:08
What's the real frequency?
Badly defined because of the uncertainty principle.
Can a single photon have more than one frequency?
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #201 on: 21/10/2023 18:23:44 »
No. E = hν
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #202 on: 21/10/2023 19:16:03 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/10/2023 09:16:17
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/10/2023 17:14:39
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 12/10/2023 04:28:08
What's the real frequency?
Badly defined because of the uncertainty principle.
Can a single photon have more than one frequency?
Yes, because of the uncertainty principle.
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #203 on: 22/10/2023 11:09:41 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 21/10/2023 18:23:44
No. E = hν
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/10/2023 19:16:03
Yes, because of the uncertainty principle.
I don't think that both answers can be correct.
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #204 on: 22/10/2023 11:20:08 »
Here's a recent video explaining about uncertainty principle, and it's relationship with Fourier transform.
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #205 on: 22/10/2023 22:50:33 »
Thanks to indeterminacy you can't predict the energy of a given photon, nor the time at which it will arrive at a point,  with absolute accuracy, but as far as the photon is concerned it only has one energy.
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #206 on: 23/10/2023 13:28:30 »
The energy of a photon is like the mind of God, It may very well exist.
Some people will tell you in detail  what they think it is.
And it's impossible to verify.
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #207 on: 23/10/2023 15:32:10 »
But very easy to determine what it was before you measured it!
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #208 on: 23/10/2023 22:34:10 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 23/10/2023 15:32:10
But very easy to determine what it was before you measured it!
How is it?
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #209 on: 23/10/2023 22:40:19 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 22/10/2023 22:50:33
Thanks to indeterminacy you can't predict the energy of a given photon, nor the time at which it will arrive at a point,  with absolute accuracy, but as far as the photon is concerned it only has one energy.
Having one energy doesn't necessarily mean having one frequency. Mathematically, a single narrow frequency requires extremely long duration of sinusoidal wave.
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #210 on: 25/10/2023 13:14:29 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 04/10/2023 08:31:22
Quote from: Origin on 03/10/2023 17:30:47
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 03/10/2023 11:11:05
But these are not enough to explain the sparkling effect.
I think it perfectly explains the effect. 
Do you now realize that the sparkling is not quantized?
We know for sure that electronic sensors are spatially quantized, although it isn't necessarily true that every pixel has the same size or sensitivity.
Do you think it has no observable effect?
This video shows the sparkling effect using a relatively low resolution camera sensor.

The presence of other effects, like diffraction, flaring, scattering, and various sizes of the ripple makes it hard to exclusively observe the sparkling effect.
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #211 on: 25/10/2023 13:26:02 »
In this video the quantization of the sparkling effect is most visible around time 0:50 to 1:00 mark, when it's zoomed in. It's unfortunate that the camera is out of focus which makes the bright spots blur.
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #212 on: 26/10/2023 01:10:42 »
If you are still convinced that there's no quantization effect whatsoever in the sparkling of rippling water surface when reflecting sunlight, I'm curious what does it take to make you change your mind?
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #213 on: 26/10/2023 06:24:11 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 25/10/2023 13:14:29
The presence of other effects, like diffraction, flaring, scattering, and various sizes of the ripple makes it hard to exclusively observe the sparkling effect.
In modern digital cameras, including those in smart phones, software filters and image processing algorithms can also affect the results of sparkling effect.
The resolution of the video files are typically lower than the resolution of main camera sensor. In my video, the resolution is 0.92 megapixels (1280 x 720), although the main camera itself has resolution of 50 megapixels. Some image processing must be involved in reducing the resolution.
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #214 on: 26/10/2023 06:44:16 »

This short video shows the sparkling effect in slow motion.
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #215 on: 26/10/2023 08:24:43 »
I've recorded for a new video showing this sparkling effect. In one of the cut scenes, there's visible effect of diffraction caused by trace of wiped sweat on the camera glass. But the sparkling tiny bright spots don't seem to be diffracted.
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #216 on: 26/10/2023 16:30:56 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 26/10/2023 01:10:42
If you are still convinced that there's no quantization effect whatsoever in the sparkling of rippling water surface when reflecting sunlight, I'm curious what does it take to make you change your mind?
Evidence.

But you probably need to start by saying what you think quantization means.
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #217 on: 26/10/2023 22:35:23 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 23/10/2023 22:34:10
Quote from: alancalverd on 23/10/2023 15:32:10
But very easy to determine what it was before you measured it!
How is it?
E = hν
Use a calorimeter or photocell to determine E. In theory, at least.
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #218 on: 26/10/2023 23:50:10 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 26/10/2023 22:35:23
Use a calorimeter or photocell to determine E.
I'm sure I heard about someone doing that.
It gave the wrong answer.
I think it's because they forgot about chemistry.
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Re: Where does quantization of energy of electromagnetic radiation come from?
« Reply #219 on: 27/10/2023 04:58:38 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 26/10/2023 08:24:43
I've recorded for a new video showing this sparkling effect. In one of the cut scenes, there's visible effect of diffraction caused by trace of wiped sweat on the camera glass. But the sparkling tiny bright spots don't seem to be diffracted.
Here are some of the screen shots.




The screenshots are 20 milliseconds apart, starting from the top left corner to the right, and ends up at the bottom right.
The images are taken from the same video. The top set are taken from different area than the bottom set, as you can see the difference in their brightness.

* sparkling 20ms.png (254.93 kB, 1545x821 - viewed 342 times.)

* sparkling 20ms 2.png (902.08 kB, 1511x773 - viewed 342 times.)
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