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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #20 on: 03/01/2021 20:03:48 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/01/2021 19:50:59
Quote from: AlexandrKushnirtshuk on 03/01/2021 19:28:00
post-processing can only be in the form of color filters, and can in no way affect objects (adding or erasing) and their relative position to each other.
Nonsense.
Have you ever seen photoshop?
If STEREOs, SOHOs and other space photos are photoshopped, moreover with the addition, removal or displacement of space objects in these photos, then welcome to my New model of the Universe, which you praised so much in the first commentary to it: "Wow! Someone found a way to make the flat earthers look sensible."
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #21 on: 03/01/2021 20:46:42 »
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Since STEREO images are photos - not 2D slices of 3D map of region, post-processing can only be in the form of color filters, and can in no way affect objects (adding or erasing) and their relative position to each other.
They are not photos, since the cameras are nowhere near the point of view presented (which is something like Jupiter, depending on where in its orbit that is).

I notice that the image you post is about 300 pixels across, and with Earth in the center, perhaps 150-180 pixels between Earth and the sun.  Earth, Venus, Mercury, and even the comet seem to consume several pixels, meaning the image does not have these object focused down to their actual size.

The moon is a light-second away and the sun is about 500 seconds away, making the moon about a 3rd of a pixel from Earth.  That means it isn't in the picture because it's too close to distinguish the two at the resolution presented.
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #22 on: 03/01/2021 20:58:40 »
Quote from: AlexandrKushnirtshuk on 03/01/2021 20:03:48
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/01/2021 19:50:59
Quote from: AlexandrKushnirtshuk on 03/01/2021 19:28:00
post-processing can only be in the form of color filters, and can in no way affect objects (adding or erasing) and their relative position to each other.
Nonsense.
Have you ever seen photoshop?
If STEREOs, SOHOs and other space photos are photoshopped, moreover with the addition, removal or displacement of space objects in these photos, then welcome to my New model of the Universe, which you praised so much in the first commentary to it: "Wow! Someone found a way to make the flat earthers look sensible."
Are you saying that, with photoshop, we could get the real world to look like your "model"?
That seems an odd point to make.
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #23 on: 03/01/2021 21:16:49 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/01/2021 20:58:40
Are you saying that, with photoshop, we could get the real world to look like your "model"?
That seems an odd point to make.
Official space photos are photoshopped.
My model of the Universe has more logic and better argumentation than official one.
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #24 on: 03/01/2021 21:20:47 »
Quote from: AlexandrKushnirtshuk on 03/01/2021 21:16:49
My model of the Universe have more logic and better argumentation than official one.
Well... if it has, why didn't you present it here rather than the stuff you have posted?
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #25 on: 03/01/2021 21:35:22 »
Quote from: Halc on 03/01/2021 20:46:42
I notice that the image you post is about 300 pixels across, and with Earth in the center, perhaps 150-180 pixels between Earth and the sun.  Earth, Venus, Mercury, and even the comet seem to consume several pixels, meaning the image does not have these object focused down to their actual size.

The moon is a light-second away and the sun is about 500 seconds away, making the moon about a 3rd of a pixel from Earth.  That means it isn't in the picture because it's too close to distinguish the two at the resolution presented.
Link to STEREO photo archive with images up to 2048*2048 resolution:
https://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/images
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #26 on: 04/01/2021 06:16:23 »
Quote from: AlexandrKushnirtshuk on 01/01/2021 16:32:10
It began at almost exactly 03:00 (UTC), and the first visible particles of coronal matter (white ripples in the animation) flew to STEREO A at about 07:00 (UTC).

Do you have a reference for those times? This reference says that particular coronal mass ejection took 18.5 hours to reach Earth's orbit, not 4 hours: https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2016ApJ...833..216G/abstract#:~:text=The%20backside%20coronal%20mass%20ejection,transit%20time%20(18.5%20hr).
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #27 on: 04/01/2021 11:49:48 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 04/01/2021 06:16:23
Quote from: AlexandrKushnirtshuk on 01/01/2021 16:32:10
It began at almost exactly 03:00 (UTC), and the first visible particles of coronal matter (white ripples in the animation) flew to STEREO A at about 07:00 (UTC).

Do you have a reference for those times? This reference says that particular coronal mass ejection took 18.5 hours to reach Earth's orbit, not 4 hours:
I have a better thing than reference - actual evidence for those times.
Look attentively. I slowed down the animation. White ripples (solar plasma particles) appeared (hit the camera) no longer than 6 hours after the beginning of the solar flare.

Official sources have lack 12 hours of frames of this animation - that is very suspicious.
1) https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stereo/news/fast-cme.html
2) https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/how-to-read-a-stereo-image
Complete animation of this CME can be found only as gif animation in Google pictures section.

Here is another comparison of two data sources with contradiction.
Solar plasma (white ripples) reaches SOHO in several hours after start of solar burst, but schematical animation shows that solar plasma reaches Earth (and SOHO) only in about 3 days after start of solar burst.
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #28 on: 04/01/2021 14:24:40 »
Quote from: AlexandrKushnirtshuk on 04/01/2021 11:49:48
White ripples (solar plasma particles) appeared (hit the camera)

First of all, how do you know those ripples are particles hitting the camera? Second of all, you should know that not all components of a coronal mass ejection are going to travel at the same velocity. According to the earlier link I posted, that event was accompanied by protons with an energy above 10 mega-electronvolts. Kinetic energy calculations show that a proton with such a kinetic energy level would be traveling above 14% the speed of light https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/relativistic-ke (the proton's rest mass is 1,836 electron rest masses, if you wish to use this calculator yourself). So those particular protons could have made the journey in less than an hour, easily capable of reaching the telescope within your stated time frame. So the bulk of the flare could indeed have taken 18.5 hours while the most energetic of the protons made it to the telescope in a fraction of that time.

Quote from: AlexandrKushnirtshuk on 04/01/2021 11:49:48
Official sources have lack 12 hours of frames of this animation - that is very suspicious.

So now you're a conspiracy theorist?
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #30 on: 05/01/2021 00:50:56 »
Quote from: Halc on 03/01/2021 20:46:42
Quote from: AlexandrKushnirtshuk

Since STEREO images are photos - not 2D slices of 3D map of region, post-processing can only be in the form of color filters, and can in no way affect objects (adding or erasing) and their relative position to each other.
They are not photos, since the cameras are nowhere near the point of view presented (which is something like Jupiter, depending on where in its orbit that is).

I notice that the image you post is about 300 pixels across, and with Earth in the center, perhaps 150-180 pixels between Earth and the sun.  Earth, Venus, Mercury, and even the comet seem to consume several pixels, meaning the image does not have these object focused down to their actual size.

The moon is a light-second away and the sun is about 500 seconds away, making the moon about a 3rd of a pixel from Earth.  That means it isn't in the picture because it's too close to distinguish the two at the resolution presented.
Yep.

Is there any shading on the earth?
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #31 on: 05/01/2021 09:13:51 »
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you praised so much in the first commentary to it: "Wow! Someone found a way to make the flat earthers look sensible."
I think it was very faint praise.
See: https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=761004524793441&set=gm.3746532775368424
Ok, lets call it sarcasm.
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #32 on: 25/02/2021 01:54:53 »
There is something very strange about the lighting on the Perseverance landing video.

1) Reflection of the “Sun” on the surface of “Mars” as if from a searchlight (too small bright spot). The height of the device at the time of this reflection hitting the frame is 9.5 km.

2) This reflection should be exactly under the Sun, that is, perpendicular to the surface of Mars, that is, point exactly at noon, but judging by the smooth movement of the shadow (on the separating heat shield) in the northeast direction (diagonally at 13:30), there is some kind of contradiction with lighting. The movement of the shadow over the heat shield indicates the position of the Sun in the southwest direction (19:30 hours) relative to the vehicle. The reflection of the "Sun" on the surface of "Mars" indicates the position of the Sun in an easterly direction (15:00 hours) relative to the vehicle.

Perseverance Rover’s Descent and Touchdown on Mars (Official NASA Video)




There is nothing glinting on the Mars' surface accorting to official surface photos of that area. The more - there are no round shaped "bright spots" on the surface of that area of Mars.

1) https://www.google.com.ua/maps/space/mars/@18.4982121,77.6169751,26455m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=ru


2) https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/where-is-the-rover/
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #33 on: 25/02/2021 05:43:38 »
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #34 on: 25/02/2021 06:28:23 »
This isn't a conspiracy thread, is it?
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #35 on: 25/02/2021 08:02:43 »
Here is a more complete video.

I see that the direction of maximum reflection on the heat shield seems to rotate as the heat shield falls further ahead of the parachute payload.
- This suggests that the reflection will move, depending on how the heat shield wobbles
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #36 on: 25/02/2021 08:31:18 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 25/02/2021 06:28:23
This isn't a conspiracy thread, is it?
Exactly. Factual data analysis only.
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #37 on: 25/02/2021 08:34:31 »
Quote from: evan_au on 25/02/2021 08:02:43
I see that the direction of maximum reflection on the heat shield seems to rotate as the heat shield falls further ahead of the parachute payload.
- This suggests that the reflection will move, depending on how the heat shield wobbles
The first few seconds (which I am talking about), the heat shield falls straight and without significant wobblings.
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #38 on: 25/02/2021 10:51:43 »
Ghideon from scienceforums.net gave the answer to one of my questions.
Link to Ghideon's post on scienceforums.net.
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@AlexandrKushnirtshuk you may look a few seconds further into the video you linked to. The heat shield is probably just wobbling after being dropped? That makes the heat shield look oval from the camera's point of view and reflections are moving.

There is another interesting question. Sorry for the many images, but they are all necessary.
Is it possible to explain such a small size sun reflection on the surface of Mars? Yellow dot on the image below is the size of Jezero Crater on Mars. Bright spot on the animation below is reflection of the Sun (from Perseverance landing video), which located inside the Jezero Crater and makes up no more than 10% of the area of Jezero Crater. Last (third) image shows how sun reflection spot looks like on Earth's surface.




Location and size of bright spot (Sun reflection), from animation above, inside Jezero Crater. That bright spot is not in the middle of the crater, and there is nothing bright in that area on two photos of that area, which are posted in the first message of this thread.
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Re: The nature of light and the size of the Universe.
« Reply #39 on: 25/02/2021 17:22:02 »
Quote from: AlexandrKushnirtshuk on 25/02/2021 08:31:18
Exactly. Factual data analysis only.

No, I'm asking if you are accusing NASA of being involved in some kind of deception.
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