[Bored chemist]

The leading cause of death in the US last year was abortion.

No it wasn't.
The leading cause of death was birth.

Arguably, the only cause of death is God.

literal interpretation is not correct.

OK, who gets to choose what interpretation is "correct"?
For far too long, the church was happy to say that the correct interpretation included burning witches and keeping slaves.

[Europan Ocean]

if you make your girlfriend pregnant, you are obliged to marry her. This idea comes from Moses.

That's a God-squad lie.
The idea predates Moses.

Maybe the Egyptians had such a law, it is common sense. Moses learned in the Pharaoh's courts. But the Europeans did not always get married, some cultures have uncles raising sons. Men in other cultures could have several wives. Romans had Mars and Jupiter... and for them the adopted son was the main son, the inheritor.  What did the Druids or Saxons do? Even if they would marry of there sons and daughters, they could keep that practice after conversion, because it's in the law of Moses.

[Bored chemist]

it is common sense.

So, you accept that this was a lie

This idea comes from Moses.

Why should we trust anything else you say?

[Europan Ocean]

The leading cause of death in the US last year was abortion.

No it wasn't.
The leading cause of death was birth.

Arguably, the only cause of death is God.

literal interpretation is not correct.

OK, who gets to choose what interpretation is "correct"?
For far too long, the church was happy to say that the correct interpretation included burning witches and keeping slaves.

I do not know how to compare my referring to the mention of the bomb as a lie, to mentioning something as important as the wickedness of deliberate terminations on a vast scale, as also being a lie.

So when Rome gained the Gospel, maybe 7% of society embraced it with reverence and love and endured persecution, but the church that followed state religion conversion were half hearted and possibly contained mockers who emerged as twisters of the truth.

The concept of a witch was nonsense that was made up. The idea that these women sealed a pact with Satan by kissing his rectum... who would sincerely believe that? Some people want someone to hate.

[Europan Ocean]

it is common sense.

So, you accept that this was a lie

This idea comes from Moses.

Why should we trust anything else you say?

I do not know ancient Egyptian laws, nor Druids or Saxons. A lie means to mislead someone deliberately.

Moses formed his own system and we read and our ancestors read it.

[Europan Ocean]

Not all Christian countries held witch hunts. Hungary banned them.

It is in Moses, Jesus, and our ancestors amidst the evil doers and maybe some of my ancestors did evil, it is in them that we gradually became enlightened. Not Mars or Woden...

[Bored chemist]

The concept of a witch was nonsense that was made up.

It was endorsed by the church,

The idea that these women sealed a pact with Satan by kissing his rectum... who would sincerely believe that?

Well, obviously, in order to believe it, they would first have to believe that Satan exists. So, it's fair to assume that they were followers of an Abrahamic religion.
And he was also made up by the church.

The real problem with religion is exactly that; it gets people to believe stuff that isn't true- like virgin birth- and once they accept this weird idea that reality doesn't apply, you can get them to accept all sorts of tosh.

You can make them believe that abortion is the biggest cause of death.
You can make them believe that Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
You can make them believe that gay people should be stoned to death.

That's why religion is a debasement of humanity. It stops people thinking straight.
It makes them imagine that someone in this thread suggested that the bomb made things good.

Some people want someone to hate.

And religion gives them two things;
One is a group to hate - all other religions
and the second is that it gives them a "justification" for that hatred- that "we" are chosen by the ultimate authority- God- and must therefore be right and anyone who disagrees with us must be wrong.

Religion does more to promote hate than anything else ever did.

[Bored chemist]

I do not know ancient Egyptian laws, nor Druids or Saxons. A lie means to mislead someone deliberately.

OK, so it's not a deliberate lie directly.
The lie is implicit; you come here and preach and that suggests that  you are some sort of authority; but you are not.

It hardly matters.
This still stands.

Why should we trust anything else you say?

[Bored chemist]

Not all Christian countries held witch hunts. Hungary banned them.

So these people who deliberately failed to do what the Bible told them are "Christian".
By what definition?
As I said, the gospel makes it clear what Christ said about it; they must follow the old laws.

[Bored chemist]

it is in them that we gradually became enlightened.

It is by opposing the teachings of the church that we became enlightened.
We stopped slave trading, because we rejected the bible.

[Bored chemist]

them that we gradually became enlightened. Not Mars or Woden...

That rather misses the point.
You seem to have realised that Mars and Woden do not bring enlightenment.
How long before you see that the same is true of Jesus?

[Europan Ocean]

I see you exactly disagree with me, and plainly don't accept my typing in response to you. I will have to inquire about church history and find the source of statistics on abortion, the 42% of deaths being by abortions. To me denying that is like thinking the Nazis were the right cause in WW2 at the time it started.

I am sure that even your enlightenment Bored Chemist, would not be, without Christ Jesus. People who reject the loss of truth in the Catholic church and who have the faith are protestants. They did get things wrong, and change was gradual, with free thought.

[Bored chemist]

find the source of statistics on abortion, the 42% of deaths being by abortions.

Don't bother.
More  deaths were caused by births.

I see you exactly disagree with me,

That's not got a lot to do with you, but it is to do with the evidence.

To me denying that is like thinking the Nazis were the right cause in WW2 at the time it started.

Then you simply do not understand that 42 is less than 58.
You should work on that before talking about Nazis.

I am sure that

Yes, you are sure, but you have no evidence.
That rather proves my point.
Religion makes people sure of things when there is no reason to be sure.

It all too often makes people so sure that they are right that they will kill for their beliefs, rather than checking on whether those beliefs have any real foundation.

[hamdani yusuf]

What caused peace and prosperity since the end of World War II, in1945, was the invention of nuclear weapons.
These weapons scared us so much, that we daren't start World War III.  Even though we really wanted to.

And if weren't for nuclear weapons, we'd have had World Wars IV and V by now.  And getting ready for World War VI.
Let's face it - we humans like fighting wars.  You can't deny it.  All history shows it to be true.

Only the H-bomb is holding us back.  How much longer can it restrain us, do you think?

If ISIS or Al Qaeda got access to the H bomb, do you think they can restrain themselves from using it?

[alancalverd]

And there's the problem. Once-great nations have armed themselves at great expense with a weapon for fighting the last war, not the next one.

The scenario I think worth considering is the explosion of a fuel-air bomb (much easier to make than a nuke) over Birmingham on a sunny Saturday. Utter pandemonium, thousands of deaths on the roads, collapse of effective government. Who do we nuke in retribution?

[alancalverd]

At least 30% of human pregnancies abort spontaneously. If you count those as "deaths", you are most of the way to 42% without having to invoke intent. So what?

[Petrochemicals]

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